Arran Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Got a question for all the guys running sandwich plates for oil coolers then temp sensors I want to get a temp gauge for the oil at the same time as installing the cooler kit but no thermostatic plates have sensor ports so may need to run another plate? I'm getting a kit which has a thermostatic plate with no sensor port, can I run a non thermostatic one with a sensor port and the inlet and outlet blanked off? Is there any downside to using two plates nothings going to leak etc and will i have enough space for two? Edited July 26, 2013 by Arran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteman35 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Could use one of these? http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performance/fittings-accessories/lma-oil-temperature-sump-plug-adaptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I have used 2 plates with no issues, I then moved the oil temp sensor to the sump (APS sump on mine) Its an option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 Don't really want to have to buy a sump aswell if I can help it, if I run my planned thermostat plate for the oil cooler what plate do I need to run for a sensor only? Apart from the sump plug adapter is there any other options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Would this not work? Its what i used on my Rx7's? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oil-Gauge-Filter-Sandwich-Plate-1-8-NPT-Pressure-Temperature-Temp-Sender-Sensor-/281104362297?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4173202b39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 Would another plate fit into another thermostatic plate though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Would another plate fit into another thermostatic plate though? Yes it will. I had one of each fitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 So I could run a thermostatic one for the cooler then a non thermostatic one blanked off for the temp sensor? What about an inline sensor in the outlet line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mcgoo Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 As you know, I have two fitted, no problems whatsoever. The second one being very similar to the ebay one linked above, only its blue. I was concerned about doing it this way, but to be honest, its the easiest and cheapest way. I have done a few track days and suffered no leaks. At the end of the day it fits the same as an oil filter, so it'll be fine. Just make sure you re-check the connections after the first heat cycle as they will slacken slightly. This is a pic of my set up. For info, the silver one is the thermostatic plate with the large oil cooler hoses fitted. The blue is the extra one with the Temp sensor and the smaller hose is the oil supply to the Vortech Supercharger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 Have a relocated your oil filter? You don't have to take anything off when fitting the sandwich plates do you? Looks like I'll be going that way then, so the standard oil filter will fit onto the second plate like standard fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mcgoo Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Have a relocated your oil filter? You don't have to take anything off when fitting the sandwich plates do you? Looks like I'll be going that way then, so the standard oil filter will fit onto the second plate like standard fit? Na, haven't relocated the filter, its just not fitted in that pic. It just screws onto the thread you can see, in the normal way. You don't have to remove anything (other than the filter) to fit all the above. Some people do remove the OEM cooler/warmer (can be seen in the pic behind the Thermostatic plate with the black water hose fitted) but it is not necessary. In fact I decided to leave it on so the oil gets up to temperature quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 Perfect sounds spot on, looks easy to install aswell Just need to find a suitable gauge pod that fits on the a pillar then I can get cracking with it all Looks like il be compiling a custom kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Gauge pod will be pretty tough to find, RSW are/were the only ones who made a pod for a RHD Z & they are really rare. I tried a few ebay ones on mine but none of them were even remotely close to fitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mcgoo Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Perfect sounds spot on, looks easy to install aswell Just need to find a suitable gauge pod that fits on the a pillar then I can get cracking with it all Looks like il be compiling a custom kit Cool. RHD Gauge pods are hard to come by. Do you have anything in the cubby? easy to fit gauges in there...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mcgoo Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Gauge pod will be pretty tough to find, RSW are/were the only ones who made a pod for a RHD Z & they are really rare. I tried a few ebay ones on mine but none of them were even remotely close to fitting God I'm a slow typer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 What other gauges are you planning on using? I'd just ditch the 3 middle ones and stick them there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 Thats just it the standard gauges then the oil temp one, z1 do a gauge pod for a z but doesn't say if it fits rhd will have to email them Going to get on with putting a kit together today, I've got my auxiliary stuff in the cubby so can't really use that I did think heater vent but that looks a pain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) Right done most of the research and got the list i need from here http://www.350z-tech...l-pictures.html So building my kit so far have assembled this list Oil cooler http://www.merlinmot...oduct_info.html 2x Rubber mountings http://www.merlinmot...oduct_info.html 3m of Aeroquip socketless hose http://www.ebay.co.u...8#ht_1168wt_934 4x 90 degree Aeroquip female socketless fittings http://www.demon-twe...ss-hose-fitting Sandwhich plate adapter for oil temp gauge http://rspec.co.uk/gauge-sensor-adaptors/oil-temp-pressure/oil-pressure-temp-sandwich-plate-adaptor-m20-x-1.5mm OIl temp gauge http://rspec.co.uk/b-gauges-b/evo-digital-lcd-series/52mm-evo-lcd-red-blue-oil-temperature-gauge Just need a sandwhich plate for the cooler lines, 2x sandwhich plate fittings that go from -10 to 1/2 preferably in blue and a possible extension bolt from the block Once the kit is all up and running this could be a good guide for making your own kit in future? Could i just ask the guys with two plates installed did you have to buy an extension bolts that goes through the middle of the plates? Edited July 26, 2013 by Arran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taras Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I wouldn't say using 2 sandwich plates is the best option but it is a cheap solution if you already have a sandwich plate which is thermo with no sensor or sensor hole and no thermo. IMO the best way is to do it neatly and buy a thermo sandwich plate with a temp sensor hole in it. It's not that much more expensive and it takes up less space and reduces the risk of leaks. (not saying that using 2 will leak but certainly reduces the risk especially when changing oil filters) On some car's where the oil filter points downwards, this is the worst option because it would mean it sticks out more and lower increasing the risk of it hitting something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 I can't get a sandwich plate that's thermostatic aswell as having a temp sensor port in it I've looked everywhere and called abbey, mishimoto and mocal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taras Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 strange. I wouldn't had thought it be that hard. I've got a Mocal thermo sandwich plate with a temp sensor hole for my ST205. Had it for quite a few years now. There's also a place in Surrey Taras bought his from. I'll see if he remembers what's the place called. otherwise, have you tried Merlin Motor sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taras Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) here you go. I think this is the one with temp sensor plug blocked off. http://www.merlinmot...oduct_info.html Edited July 26, 2013 by RT-Performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 The oil cooler and rubber mountings il be getting from merlin as per the list but still can't find a thermostatic plate with sensor hole looks like it will be two plates, is 80 degree opening to low a temp to open should be like 85-90 should it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mcgoo Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Right done most of the research and got the list i need from here http://www.350z-tech...l-pictures.html Just need a sandwhich plate for the cooler lines, 2x sandwhich plate fittings that go from -10 to 1/2 preferably in blue and a possible extension bolt from the block. Could i just ask the guys with two plates installed did you have to buy an extension bolts that goes through the middle of the plates? Each sandwich plate you get should come with an extension bolt, so when assembling you just screw one onto the other. (one for each plate) I see you've got rubber mounts for vibration, which is good, but bare in mind you need to support the cooler top and bottom or they can start to split and leak just hanging from one set of mounts. You can either make up a bracket for the bottom or use threaded bar and some nuts to support the whole thing. (see below my set up) here you go. I think this is the one with temp sensor plug blocked off. http://www.merlinmot...oduct_info.html I'm pretty sure that doesn't have the extra port, that is just the blank for the thermo spring. is 80 degree opening to low a temp to open should be like 85-90 should it not? That all depends how efficient your set up is really. An 80deg thermo valve will actually start to open at about 65 deg and will be fully open at 80deg so may take longer for your oil to get up to temperature, especially in the winter where on a motorway run you might even struggle to even get to 70-80 degrees. Personally I don't think thats warm enough, oil needs to get fairly warm to evaporate any water or condensation caused by short journeys and such like. You may end up having to partially cover up your cooler in winter to get good oil temps. That is why I recommended the 92 deg plate from driftworks. Even that one opens early, at about 75deg but it means on a run in winter the oil temp sits at about 80 deg which I think is about as low as I'd want it on a daily basis. More information can be found here as I was trying to get it all in one post before - http://www.350z-uk.c...on/#entry853460 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share Posted July 27, 2013 Sam that is most helpful fella very much appreciated, I will either use threaded bar or make up a bracket for the bottom and use the rubber at the top, have you got anything in place to stop vibration on yours? I'm going to order the 92 degree plate from mocal then, il edit the post with the list when in on a desktop Just need to find the plate fittings now and a gauge pod and I'm away and done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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