urbanmyth Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Hi All Don’t know is this is the correct section to post this (please move if it isn’t) I would just like to say a big thanks to WRC Technologies http://www.wrc-tech.co.uk/ They have done a full APS Twin Turbo conversion on my car and I must say what a difference. The Z now runs smother, faster, idles better than ever. Any one thinking of doing the APS TT thing I would hole heartedly recommend it. The kit transforms the car in to a car Nissan should have built in the first place. As ever WRC Tech did a good job. This is the second car they have done off mine. If any off you are thinking off using WRC again I highly recommend them. Good work, price, service, and knowledge and excellent facilities. Once again big thank Alan (Big Al), Chris (Mapping Guru) and Jamey (The technician) Mark (urbanmyth) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 so you were their guinea pig then? good to know there's a bit more experience from them with the Z and the APS TT kit now that G-Force has gone bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Hi All Don’t know is this is the correct section to post this (please move if it isn’t) I would just like to say a big thanks to WRC Technologies http://www.wrc-tech.co.uk/ They have done a full APS Twin Turbo conversion on my car and I must say what a difference. The Z now runs smother, faster, idles better than ever. Any one thinking of doing the APS TT thing I would hole heartedly recommend it. The kit transforms the car in to a car Nissan should have built in the first place. As ever WRC Tech did a good job. This is the second car they have done off mine. If any off you are thinking off using WRC again I highly recommend them. Good work, price, service, and knowledge and excellent facilities. Once again big thank Alan (Big Al), Chris (Mapping Guru) and Jamey (The technician) Mark (urbanmyth) How much of an effect does this have on mpg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoky Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Not as much as you would think if you keep it under 3k, over that then but their is lots of fun to be had over 3k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanmyth Posted June 19, 2006 Author Share Posted June 19, 2006 The Mpg is running about the same if not a bit better because the map is for the car not an off the shelf one fits all. But that depend on how the car is driven. On a normal run there is not much in it to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagar Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 how much did the set up cost in total? Do they do super charger conversions too I wonder> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 ffs sarnie you don't put a TT to save on petrol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 ffs sarnie you don't put a TT to save on petrol He He Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 how much did the set up cost in total? Do they do super charger conversions too I wonder> ehm you might want to ask Spill about that mate before you go any further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanmyth Posted June 19, 2006 Author Share Posted June 19, 2006 Have a look at there web site for pricing or call and talk to Al and have a chat about SC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 The Mpg is running about the same if not a bit better now that statement I find VERY VERY optimistic. the fact that the mpg readout from the in car computer gets messed up by the installation doesn't mean your car uses less petrol with a TT conversion mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanmyth Posted June 19, 2006 Author Share Posted June 19, 2006 Yep i know Minel. i was going by how much i put in the tank to get home and there was not a big difrence. WRC silverstone me Colchester so a bit off a run. but as i said that depend on how the car is driven. if it is driven all the time then 3.5lt twin turbo will drink like a fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 ah well I'm glad everything worked out well for you anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 ffs sarnie you don't put a TT to save on petrol I know mate but if 20mpg becomes 8mpg then thats not a route I could afford to go doen doing 1750 miles per month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 my personal view is that if you modify the Z to such extent, it shouldn't be your daily driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam's Z Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 my personal view is that if you modify the Z to such extent, it shouldn't be your daily driver. unless you're loaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagar Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 ask spill what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptist Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 The Mpg is running about the same if not a bit better now that statement I find VERY VERY optimistic. the fact that the mpg readout from the in car computer gets messed up by the installation doesn't mean your car uses less petrol with a TT conversion mate I agree, to say that is total bullshit. You can get reasonable economy, if you really try, but nowhere near standard. And anyway, wheres the fun in that? Not the reason I got turbo's. Any pics of the car??? I certainly wouldnt recommend WRC, in fact I wouldnt let them change the oil on my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanmyth Posted June 20, 2006 Author Share Posted June 20, 2006 I will post some pics the weekend when it is clean. As for WRC as I said this is the second car they have extensively modified for me both times I have found them to be superb in work, results and knowledge. My previous car ran flawlessly for many many miles. Witch is one off the reasons I used then againe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aus73 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 One of the benefit's of TT upgrades compared to supercharging is the off-boost fuel consumption is the same as a n/a car. When the ecu is programmed after the TT install EVERY point in the map is optomised. Torque and bhp increases are great, but all the part throttle load points are also optomised. The easiest way to explain the improvement cruising at 80mph in top gear at 2700rpm on the motorway for example. In order to overcome rolling resistance/aero drag etc.. the engine may have to produce 100bhp for example. The standard car may produce 100bhp at 45% throttle, whereas the re-programmed vehicle may produce 100bhp at 35% throttle. At part throttle at 2700rpm the engine is not on boost with a TT - so these improvements are quite realistic. This is one point in the map with 10% better economy - and these changes happen to a varying degree at EVERY point in the map. Obviously a supercharged car is always on boost. Once the engine is on boost the map must be run a little richer than n/a - so your economy will suffer. If your TT has very bad fuel economy it is an indication of a less than average install. I'm not surprised the Baptist TT can't believe the numbers, as the (now defunct) company that mapped his car did not have anyone working there that understood how to programme ecus - as evidenced by their record of being the only European company to completely destroy a 350Z TT engine. Happy to get your oil changed there instead - go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hi Chris, hope all is well Fair enough comments, I'm no expert by any means but they do make sense to me. Of course the same can't be said if you drive the Z as hard as you would have without a TT, if you see what I mean. ie for the 10% saved driving off boost, you'll lose X % much more when driving on boost ) Funny how so many people have many different opinions of different tuners (not tuners on other tuners, I mean actual customers of tuners) When I was @ Grantham getting Paintshield, I met an old guy who was there with his Evo 8 who had used WRC and he was very very happy too with the service he received, so urbanmyth is not alone But when i was @ JapShow yesterday i heard another horror story regarding an APS oil pan... It's usually good to follow word of mouth, but in your case guys it's impossible, one guy says you are brilliant, another has had bad experiences and so on! I guess the only way is to use someone who've only heard great things about them, but do they exist????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptist Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Ive heard and seen enough. WRCT may be good at tuning, but I wouldnt trust them for any fitting service, thats for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prescience Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Before this degenerates into polarised views and perhaps further, its probably best that you discuss on PM. The 2 sides of the argument seem to me to be that, although WRC did have issues with the installation, they resolved them to the Customer's satisfaction and I think it is fair to leave it to that person to comment further. On the other hand, 4 Vortech kits to my knowledge (baptist, Steve-B, StephenG and mine) to the same specifcation were installed without major problems to UK/JDM cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 yeah although it's also fair to recognise a Company's willingness to put things right: most important of all though needs to be the ability to learn from previous mistakes in order not to repeat them in the future. As our friends the Latins used to say: Errare humanum est. Perseverare autem diabolicum (to err is human, to persevere is diabolical ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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