lomoto Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I have a wireless set up for my Broadband connection, it went faulty last night, I rang the providers up (Orange )and they say they will send me out a new receiver (or Livebox as they call it) However I seem to be able to connect to my neighbours broadband system(even though he is some distance away) albeit at a reduced strength.. Will there be any sort of repercussions doing this??if not can I cancel my subscription to Orange and carry on using the neighbours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl114 Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Haha so you are piggybacking off his unprotected wireless network! You should get away with it, but as soon as he password protects it (which he bloody should) you will not have access to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 well if the receiver works with someone else's connection, it clearly works! it's the network to yr house that seems to b the problem LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Used to piggyback a lot when I was staying in Hemel Hempstead earlier in the year. Could well be your router thats faulty seeing as you can connect to your neighbours and not yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Its illegal under the computer misuse act 1990, constitutes "unauthorised access to a computer system or network". Carries a 6 month prison sentence and up to £5000 fine for a section 1 offence. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4721723.stm But if he is not sharp enough to turn on wireless security I doubt he is sharp enough to catch you using it. ......unless of course it is a honeypot and he wants you to use it so he can snoop your credit card numbers........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Did I say that out loud ??? Heard about a couple of guys in London that used to drive around looking for unsecured networks then selling security to them. A mate of mine wanted to try it around here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I have a wireless set up for my Broadband connection, it went faulty last night, I rang the providers up (Orange )and they say they will send me out a new receiver (or Livebox as they call it) However I seem to be able to connect to my neighbours broadband system(even though he is some distance away) albeit at a reduced strength.. Will there be any sort of repercussions doing this??if not can I cancel my subscription to Orange and carry on using the neighbours Just make sure that when you get a new router that you don't use the same Wireless Channel as your neighbour as you'll have problems connecting to it. Most routers come with a default of channel 11. This is configurable so that you can change the channel if someone else is using it...... Also make sure that you enable WEP security, so that someone else can't get access to your Wireless network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted November 2, 2006 Author Share Posted November 2, 2006 well if the receiver works with someone else's connection, it clearly works! it's the network to yr house that seems to b the problem LOL no I think the thing thats connected to my computer is Ok , its the joby thats connected to the telephone box in my house thats dodgy. thats why its picking up next doors not mine signal...in fact its been a bit on and off all night..I've a good mind to go next door and see if he can upgrade his system so I can get a better signal Reading a previous reply is it possible then that the neighbour can see what I'm doing on my computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 If your wireless network is not secured (ie you have not enabled encryption on your computer and wireless router) then every packet of data sent to/from your computer is available for all in range to receive and potentially interpret with the appropriate tools. [i will list them if asked but its not something I wish to encourage ] So what could they see/do? Very easily they could discover every website you visit, they could easily capture your username and password for all non-encrypted sites (thats any that dont have a url prefix of https or dont display the lock icon on your status bar, this website would be one example). With more sophisticated software they could potentially even perform a MITM attack for some secure applications but this is very unlikely for things like your internet banking (because here the session is encrypted between your computer and the bank end-to-end). They could however easily discover which bank you are with which might be useful if they have other information about you from other activity. In adition they could connect to your wireless router and masquerade as you (ie; use your internet connection for illegal purposes). If you are really paranoid then you should regularly change your encryption keys as a persistent attacker could discover them. but dont panic, much of this is pretty unlikely ("dont have nightmares" he types in his best Crimewatch voice), do you really think the bloke next door is a cyber criminal who wants to exploit you? It much more likely (and easier) to get you to download a keylogger and get you banking password that way! So once your new router arrives make sure you turn on the security features (as the earlier post said) but make sure you also have a wired Cat5 ethernet connection available because sometimes turning on the wireless security features can result in alot of heartache because you cut yourself off and then cant get back in to fix it using the wireless connection! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Hmm - very strange, one of the missus' frinds had the exact same experience with Orange just the other day - been working fine for ages, then stopped. After a long phone call on supprt they too suggested that a new router was needed. Very strange, as these things just dont stop working for no reason. I wonder of they are tring to get a new piece of hardware out to the consumers for some other reason. /cynic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 Thanks for the advice mugwump, chesterfield,sipajen et al... I think I may leave this connection alone in the evening then..mind you all anyone can pick up is that I spend an inordinate amount of time on a 350z-uk site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyC Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hmm - very strange, one of the missus' frinds had the exact same experience with Orange just the other day - been working fine for ages, then stopped. After a long phone call on supprt they too suggested that a new router was needed. Very strange, as these things just dont stop working for no reason. I wonder of they are tring to get a new piece of hardware out to the consumers for some other reason. /cynic. I had this too just last week, went down for around 2days. Spoke to Orange and they said that they had an external problem meaning that a lot of accounts were down - wonder if its the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meanstreak Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I had loads of issues with my BT router and wireless hubs and stuff, crap signal, or my PC wouldn't see the router etc etc, now I use Homeplugs, its like having a wired 85MB network around your house, and you effectively have an outlet in every plug socket, as it uses your electrical wiring, so always near your equipment. Nobody can 'piggyback' on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 I had loads of issues with my BT router and wireless hubs and stuff, crap signal, or my PC wouldn't see the router etc etc, now I use Homeplugs, its like having a wired 85MB network around your house, and you effectively have an outlet in every plug socket, as it uses your electrical wiring, so always near your equipment. Nobody can 'piggyback' on that! OOoooooo never heard of those.. will look into that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meanstreak Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Here's a link, but there are a few suppliers out there now http://www.homeplugs.co.uk/acatalog/ind ... QgodFC3SiA When I said outlet in every plug socket, I meant wherever you plug a homeplug into that socket So you can move your PC anywhere in the house where you can plug your homeplug in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 Cheers chum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthy sid Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I had loads of issues with my BT router and wireless hubs and stuff, crap signal, or my PC wouldn't see the router etc etc, now I use Homeplugs, its like having a wired 85MB network around your house, and you effectively have an outlet in every plug socket, as it uses your electrical wiring, so always near your equipment. Nobody can 'piggyback' on that! and what makes you think your electrical wiring is not connected to the property next door? Just teasing..... the signals rarely extend beyond your electricity meter, but thats not to say they couldnt, and all homeplug stuff uses 56bit DES encryption (the better products in the range use 128bit AES which is equivalent to banking standard) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meanstreak Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I had loads of issues with my BT router and wireless hubs and stuff, crap signal, or my PC wouldn't see the router etc etc, now I use Homeplugs, its like having a wired 85MB network around your house, and you effectively have an outlet in every plug socket, as it uses your electrical wiring, so always near your equipment. Nobody can 'piggyback' on that! and what makes you think your electrical wiring is not connected to the property next door? Just teasing..... the signals rarely extend beyond your electricity meter, but thats not to say they couldnt, and all homeplug stuff uses 56bit DES encryption (the better products in the range use 128bit AES which is equivalent to banking standard) Because I live on the moon... My point being there are less potential problems with homeplugs than wireless networks, everything can be 'hacked' at some level, luckily my direct neighbours are old folks so don't know what the Internet is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted November 8, 2006 Author Share Posted November 8, 2006 Hi Guys ...still got trauma with the internet connection, Orange have sent me out another router that still doesnt work,,still pick up my neighbours signal(also another neighbour now who's bloody miles away ) gone back to a wired connection, but the missus is playing hell up, because of the wire trailing up the stairs to my office..so got to pitch in a buy a router now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13KYF Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 heard orange where having loads of problems at the mo with their IP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoREoD Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Two of my customers who use Orange, one at home, one in a local office, one on ADSL, the other on dial-up are having real problems sending e-mails. Works for a day, then stops working for a while, then starts again, then stops, etc. No error messages or bounce-backs - e-mails just vanish, so I guess their SMTP servers are playing up. Anyway, Orange are just about to lose two customers to a reliable ISP! Just my tuppence-worth.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted November 8, 2006 Author Share Posted November 8, 2006 Two of my customers who use Orange, one at home, one in a local office, one on ADSL, the other on dial-up are having real problems sending e-mails. Works for a day, then stops working for a while, then starts again, then stops, etc. No error messages or bounce-backs - e-mails just vanish, so I guess their SMTP servers are playing up. Anyway, Orange are just about to lose two customers to a reliable ISP! Just my tuppence-worth.... Yes I have had same problem with emails..I did however receive one from Orange themselves saying that they now charge £12 to supply the Migration code..Barstewards ..I bet everyone has been trying to swop over and they are trying to profit from their **** up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanel Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Hmm - very strange, one of the missus' frinds had the exact same experience with Orange just the other day - been working fine for ages, then stopped. After a long phone call on supprt they too suggested that a new router was needed. Very strange, as these things just dont stop working for no reason. I wonder of they are tring to get a new piece of hardware out to the consumers for some other reason. /cynic. I've just been round to a friends house who's broadband dropped out last night. It is now saying there is a problem negotiating the line. Told him to speak to Orange about it and if they say there isn't a problem with them then get them to do a line test. Modem appears to be working fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted November 8, 2006 Author Share Posted November 8, 2006 Hmm - very strange, one of the missus' frinds had the exact same experience with Orange just the other day - been working fine for ages, then stopped. After a long phone call on supprt they too suggested that a new router was needed. Very strange, as these things just dont stop working for no reason. I wonder of they are tring to get a new piece of hardware out to the consumers for some other reason. /cynic. I've just been round to a friends house who's broadband dropped out last night. It is now saying there is a problem negotiating the line. Told him to speak to Orange about it and if they say there isn't a problem with them then get them to do a line test. Modem appears to be working fine. Hmmmmm sounds like something is amiss with the Orange setup, time to move on I think that is if they will give up the Migration code Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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