coldel

I agree get shot of that photo please, its offensive. And back on topic, this is about an historic economic and political event which will shape generations - this is by far more important than any general election vote. Be a shame to lose 80+ pages of debate...

Off the top of my head, it's not specific to legislation but, Fishing quotas, all but killed many towns in the UK just because the Spanish and Dutch were running out of their own fish. Dress it up as sustainability and nobody argues. Farming subsidies and quotas, two fold pushes up food prices and kills farming income. Even to this day there are tons of vegetables ploughed back into UK fields because they are not allowed to sell any more into supermarkets. Climate change legislation (which they knew from the outset were set at unachievable levels) has massively inreased fuel bills in the UK. It's blamed on the energy companies, but the levies and taxes add alost 30% to bills in some cases. The EU civil servants awarding themselves massive perks and breaks over and above that of any EU citizen. Examples: In the UK we are having to review the pensions of teachers and nurses etc. EU civil servants meanwhile get up to 70% on a final salary scheme, regardless of the fact they are unsustainable. They don't publish accounts. Even a small business in the UK has to lodge accounts with companies house, never mind councils and local authorities. The EU meanwhile disclose nothing about their expenditure and staff pay. Even though they are publicly funded. In the UK we have stripped child benefit of £1040 per year for people earning over £50k. In the EU however you get a £7k per year allowance per child. In the UK we tax at a basic rate of 20%. Tax rates for EU civil servants start at 8%. They do not publish earnings and bands. It is only thanks to leaked documents that we know 10,000 people employed in the EU offices take home more than our prime minister thanks to these tax breaks. The list of reasons goes on. And you'll note not a single one revolved around immigration. I expect anyone who has a say in legislation in our country to be both accountable and have transparent public accounts. And that is a completely fair response, how many other people can put the same level of thought forwards?

Now, I know I have been vocal on this thread as I am deeply passionate about economics - that doesn't make me an expert in any way shape or form, just someone who probably spent more time reading up on the realistic benefits vs the realistic risks and should I vote leave. I didn't vote leave because it was obvious we couldn't restrict immigration, £350m was an out and out lie and free trade with no payment is unrealistic otherwise everyone would be doing it. Why didn't the government call out these obvious facts prior to the vote?

No one said the EU was great, and its not about coming or going to England, this has been mentioned time and again by Remain supporters. This was an economic vote that people pushed into a political and in some cases a racial vote. For me its about incurring economic chaos to achieve almost nothing by the end of it - I put two questions to people on here time and again and no one engaged with them: 1. What 5 or 6 EU based regulations have so vexed you and impacted you personally that you feel so angry towards the EU? Dont use google. 2. If we adopt the Norway model where we abide by EU regulations and adopt free movement of labour as part of the EEA would you feel like you have 'taken back control'?

I don't think there is any god given right to a trophy, but as a nation with a huge football grassroots base, more leagues than most countries, more pro footballers and more support through the learning process for children to partake in football it is nothing but utter mismanagement that has caused such poor results in tournaments. The mentality just doesn't seem to be there, we are beat before we touch a blade of grass when the results really count. Martin Glenn kept referring to an academy built a few years back as producing youth which hasn't hit the main team yet - but that's a ridiculous statement, we have been successful in youth football for donkeys years so what are they doing wrong with these younger players all this time? Our management are obsessed with playing big names and big transfers and not picking on form and fitness. Most of our managers since Hoddle have no tactical nous. We should definitely have made more semi finals than we have, especially in the Euros, to say we are not good enough for the last 8 or a Euro tournament every four years is a shambles.

Corbyn loses confidence vote by over 80% and has just announced he will not resign...

He has turned to Facebook

Hodgson says that 'one bad game' has ruined 4 years of great England football ...and there in lies the problem, blind stupidity.

Next manager could be any nationality

The players didnt play well yesterday because that sometimes happens in football. Endless comments about how it was a freak result - just not accepting that we had no leaders, no shape and no plan.

Martin Glenn, chief executive of the FA admits he doesn't know much about football...

Anyone watching the FA statement right now. What a pair of clowns. Apparently they feel that Englands football has really stepped on from 4 years ago and playing much much better...

Yes that seems drastic. I know a few immigrants who are specialists in medicine and engineering who receive EU funding for their development work at UK universities, having to in all likelihood stop the research and leave UK now and continue it in a different country.

Take the bulb out

Bought my Zed and within 3 months had to change clutch, flywheel and cv joints. This is exactly why I shudder when I see people with barely budget to cover buying these cars go in a bit blind, with no slush fund to fix any issues as they are usually expensive!

Its total likes, so you could in theory post one cracking post and end up over 100% if everyone likes it. But as said up top, its for fun, on a day when football is in the doghouse and politicians are arguing like 10 year olds.

Your not a statistician gunning for MEP re-election are you ???? Nah, got it, your Uri Gellars apprentice Rob Just simple numbers and facts, something the leave campaigners even post referendum can't get their heads around

Aye fair point, both sides are being so childish its stupid, but that's the exact point I was making, be the bigger man and don't rise to it - that's the sign of a real leader. My other point really is that the EU has an army of trade negotiators and more money to throw at this than we do - we need a few friends in the EU to make this work in our favour. Burning bridges at this stage is not professional and will not lead to our optimum outcome, in my modest opinion.

Older members are also more likely to be grumpy old men

The worst thing we can have is Farage walking in there and crowing like he has been doing this morning, there is such thing as winning with dignity and this will only turn individuals against us in any trade discussion. We had to be the bigger man in this but Farage sees this as his own personal vendetta - as did most of the Leave campaign, they almost don't seem at all engaged with the actual process of exiting the EU now and their behaviour is not conducive to making our position stronger.

Yes meant the scottish referendum But its not 4% of the voting population voting to Leave over Remain, its 1.9% because if they had voted the other way it would then be 50/50 - if 1.9% of the people voting Leave had voted stay it would have been 50/50 so they were the ones that swung it. Its effectively the football 6 pointer. What this is measuring is effectively the 'swing' in voting, you take the rise in one group and the decline in the other and divide by two to measure swing voting. So the Remain camp would only have needed 1.9% of the voting to have changed their mind to have got us to a 50/50 result.

You cant have a government on a tiny % though, hence the coalition we had last time. Which is why the small difference is very important. The turnout was pretty poor in my opinion, given the amount that turned out for Scotland. Everyone seems to have a strong opinion on it but 15m never bothered to vote?

Go on then...

Yep Flex! For gross fraudulence!

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