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Second referendum petition: Concern as call for new Brexit vote gains more than 39,000 signatures from Vatican City - population 800 - The Telegraph https://apple.news/Azqdz8pPuSfyjBJgNyQJVlQ

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

What have we started... https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&pnref=story

I totally understand Scotland's concerns in the current situation, it doesn't make any difference, but I agree with their take on it. More on Boris:

Who care about the experts... or economy, I know it's all about migration, but in any case here is what Nobel prize winners say: 'Economic issues are central to the UK referendum debate. We believe that the UK would be better off economically inside the EU. British firms and workers need full access to the single market. In addition, Brexit would create major uncertainty about Britain’s alternative future trading arrangements, both with the rest of Europe and with important markets like the USA, Canada and China. And these effects, though one-off, would persist for many years. Thus the economic arguments are clearly in favour of remaining in the EU. George Akerlof Kenneth Arrow Angus Deaton Peter Diamond James Heckman Eric Maskin James Mirrlees Christopher Pissarides Robert Solow Jean Tirole Winners of the Nobel prize in economics'

From The Guardian's comments section: "If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost. Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron. With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership. How? Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor. And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew. The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction. The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50? Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders? Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated. If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act. The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice. When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take. All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign."

"The West Wales and the Valleys region was identified as the poorest region in the whole of north-western Europe. To address this, from 2014 to 2020, Wales would have benefited from around £1.8bn EU European Structural Funds investment." "What’s the EU ever done for us?†Zak Kelly, 21, asks me this standing next to a brand new complex of buildings and facilities that wouldn’t look out of place in Canary Wharf. It’s not Canary Wharf, though, it’s Ebbw Vale, a former steel town of 18,000 people in the heart of the Welsh valleys, where 62% of the population – the highest proportion in Wales – voted Leave." We’re standing on the site of the old steelworks, a toxic industrial wasteland left rotting when the plant, once the biggest in Europe, finally closed in 2002. It’s now “The Works†– a flagship £350m regeneration project funded by the EU redevelopment fund and home to the £33.5m Coleg Gwent, where some of the 29,000 Welsh apprenticeships the European Social Fund pays for help young people learn a trade. Add in a new £30m railway line and £80m improvement to the Heads of the Valley road from other pots of EU money, and the town centre has just received £12.2m for various upgrades and improvements. Ebbw Vale, left devastated when the steelworks closed, has had more European money poured into it than perhaps any other small town in Britain. But according to the figures Kelly heard, “we get out £7m a year from the EU and we put in £19mâ€. Anyway, he says, “it was time for a changeâ€. “There was only one word people had on their mind: immigration. They didn’t look at the facts at all.†... Are there any immigrants in Ebbw Vale? “No! Hardly any. And the ones there are are all working, all contributing. It’s just … illogical. I just don’t think people looked at the facts at all.†https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

Right, let's move this chat on the AAM thread, it's off topic

There is no other TT 370z in UK at the moment, but we should soon have a few

Oh, so you were not serious about it

Looks like politicians are getting involved with the petition that has now reached 2 million signatures!

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Are you really lecturing me on that? In UK Africans are immigrants. Arabs are immigrants. Asians are immigrants. Eastern European are immigrants. However, Brits living abroad are expats because they can’t be at the same level as other ethnicities or nations. They are superior. Immigrants is a term set aside for "inferior races" or "inferior nations". According to Miriam-Webster: - the word “Expatriate†is actually a verb or an adjective and means someone “living in a foreign landâ€. - the word “Immigrant†is a noun and means “a person who comes to a country to take permanent residenceâ€. If we go only by these definitions above, I see one major distinction that sets them apart. Immigrants have an intention to stay – whereas for the expatriates this intention isn’t mentioned and isn’t clear. So retiring in Spain as a Brit makes you Expat or Immigrant? Rhetorical, of course.

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Watching news: SkyNews is going to speak to "expats" in Costa del Sol PMSL!!! So people coming to work, live and contribute to economy and society here are bloody immigrants, Brits retiring in Spain are expats. Oh, the irony...

What a farce... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36628894

Wait, what? But the harm is already done!

"The process of leaving the EU takes at least two years, so European immigrants will not have to flee across the channel immediately. After that first rush of panic—what will the world be like?—a deeper panic will follow, and it should. Brexit is the first major victory for the rising xenophobia that is sweeping the world, which has already overtaken the Republican party in America, and which has gathered significant support in almost every major democracy. We have to face up to an ugly truth about the world as it is: The hatred of difference is winning. ... Brexit is the first case since the Second World War of a major global economy choosing, of its own free will, to leave the international system. Already, the economic costs of that decision are staggering, and they will worsen. The Financial Times this morning reported that the proposed sale of Tata Steel and Tata Motors, Britain's largest steel producer and its sister car company, to foreign ownership has been stopped. The people in the towns where those steelworks function voted to leave the European Union by 57 to 43 percent. Now their employers, who will not be their employers for long, will have no access to the largest market at hand. This is what economic suicide looks like." http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a46143/why-brexit-bad-for-britain/

"This is how a political life ends: with a crash, not a whimper. David Cameron’s place in history is now assured. He is the man who took the United Kingdom out of the European Union. As we wait for the full impact of Thursday’s referendum to be felt, he may be remembered as the prime minister who presided over the beginning of the end of the United Kingdom, too. Scottish independence, defeated as an idea just two years ago, is back on the table.Cameron’s ten years as leader of the Conservative party and six as prime minister now boil down to these solitary facts. Nothing else matters; nothing else will be remembered. Cameron gambled everything on one roll of the dice and lost it all." http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/24/david-cameron-was-a-historic-and-disastrous-failure/

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UK's Credit Outlook Downgraded To 'Negative' http://news.sky.com/story/1717282/uks-credit-outlook-downgraded-to-negative

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