Mark@Abbey m/s

You can have the gauge read different things on different maps loaded with cruise control.

hi these car do not have oil pressure based trip I am afraid.

 

These parameters can be added on the 370Z with ECUTEK but only way to go that way on a HR is a Syvecs S6+ upgrade both will need oil pressure senders being fitted and wired in.

 

Hi mark,

Can this be added to my ecutek tune remotely via a re flash with a cable as I already have a license.

With some hardware parts added we can make a few upgrades, oil pressure trip so if the oil pressure drop below a certain levels at a certain RPM the car goes into limp home and we can make the oil temp gauge become and oil pressure gauge.

Email me for costings please

hi these car do not have oil pressure based trip I am afraid.

These parameters can be added on the 370Z with ECUTEK but only way to go that way on a HR is a Syvecs S6+ upgrade both will need oil pressure senders being fitted and wired in.

Hi we are £785-00 inc vat for the same job , likewise if it is carried out at the same time as a full service you can reduce the cost a little.

Rich,

so if the Dynapack over reads so much as per your linky so why does my dyno which is a dynapack show around 240 hub bhp for a stock Nissan 350Z DE?

We have the latest Spec Hunter Alignment rig @ Abbey Motorsport and have a lot of understanding of Japanese cars.

Lets not use percentage for trans losses as it doesn't work like that.

Stock 370Z versus Chris Car dyno plot below;

torque is hub torque divided by final drive ratio.

Pretty good gains over a stock car for just bolt on and a retune.

Working on a post regarding differences between EcuTek and Uprev

Once I am sat behind a computer not on my phone I will post up why we like and use the EcuTek now. So many more features to use to improve the output and power delivery.

Bodyboarders we see 120/150bhp gain from going FI with a 370Z and there maybe someone new coming to the FI upgrade supplier for the 370Z.

Do you have a E92 M3? Manual or DCT? Do you like it?

okay so if a car had recorded 100bhp at the wheels @ 18% losses it would have 118bhp at the flywheel

if the same car had 1000bhp at the wheels @ 18% it would have 1180bhp at the flywheel.

same car so same run down losses ........162bhp difference....

@ Abbey we use 40bhp added to the hub figure to get an estimated flywheel bhp.

Thanks for the quick reply Mark, I have a tanabe medallion system, would I benefit from a map? Also do you have a rough cost?

The 370Z always benefit from a remap. as you dont have cruise I will reduce the ECUTEK remap to £402-00 inc vat from £499-00 inc vat.

thank

Hey! Is this software compatible with the non-gt 370z? As I don't have cruise control to switch maps!

we can still tune our car but no multi maps and no traction control upgrade I am afraid

thanks

I can vouch for this car although we haven't seen it for a while.

Had a new HKS SC kit fitted when we built the car.

Ian your kit went on a car with a built motor.

Please dont open the butterflies without the battery connect or the ECU connected , opening the butterflies without disconnecting the power and TB will brick the idle Eprom , it is fixable but isn't cheap.

Interesting. Two knowledgeable zedders (Alex and Mark), two completely different opinions...

and Abbey tune Alex's Zed as well ;-)

Come on guys, with this list of bolt on parts and a good remap with Uprev, you see around a 20/25bhp gain. We see this on our dyno all the time ( some people will say that our figures aren't right/doctored)but we have tuned a lot of cars so have a huge amount of data.

Make sure the car has a good new set of spark plugs and oyur be a happy chap after the work being carried out.

Hi, good results after the re-map

The saying they re tune back to stock figures isnt what has been said, the car runs a AFR Layout based fueling equation. the AFR's you posted up as below

the blue circle shows the typical AFR curve of a stock AFR Layout in a NON Upreved tuned ECU , this will be the same either car is totally stock or it has bolt on's just like you have done you would normally think improving exhaust flow would make the car run leaner but on the Nssan ECU is doesnt, Jez has smoother this lean hump out and tweaked a lot of other parameters in the CAL file so the car picked torque/bhp up.

If you ran a totally stock DE in the dyno your see the same lean hump , this is what stops the car gaining any gains from bolting on parts to increase the airflow , your car has a pretty sorted exhaust system to see around 300bhp flywheel after the remap so most people would expect to see a lot more than 8/9bhp gain with just bolting the parts on you have. The main game come from Jez skill and knowledge of the Uprev program and the DE motor.

No troubles Ben.

One thing everyone needs to understand drifting isn't about reducing grip. The sport seems to carry that on it back as it is caused drifting. Top end competition is about grip not losing grip.

You still need to be able to hit clipping points and have the ability to transverse easily from lock to lock.

With some development/time on a good alignment rig playing with angles I am sure your get a good set up track cars like some camber gain,Akerman angle needs some careful thoughts/set up.

If I can help just ask.

Guys had a lot of involvement with drift cars and specific drift suspension set up.

We use a system made by TDP in Ireland on Baggsys S13 and his newly built PS13 powered by a FI VQ35!

The wisefab system is design to be run without a roll bar drifting is a very specific motorsport and the reason behind the specific suspension systems is too allow crucial sets up to allow the following:

1, adjustability of suspension jack (adjust weight transfer when on lock)

2, adjustability of KPI

3, adjustment of Ackerman

4, increase of steering movement in relation to steering input.

All the above is used to work to allow the suspension set up to keep the front wheels flat on the ground at high steering angle. This needs the ability to adjust suspension jack to enable the car to have enough traction to keep pushing the car forwards while on extreme lock.

We look towards gaining over 100kg rear axle weight when on maximum steering lock.

Just my thoughts and ideas.

Out of curiosity more than anything, would you say the HR motor is a better base for a track car than the DE or RevUp?

I remember you saying the RevUp is kind of the 'ugly duckling' of the three when I came in for my UpRev tune.

 

dyno plot of DE (green plot) with Plenum spacer/drop in filter/stock cats and cat back exhaust and tuned with UPREV and our HR cat back exhaust/stock cats /drop in filters and UPREV tune

 

 

DE is pretty close in midrange torque but once your up in the revs the HR romps away.

 

below is a dyno plot of a DE with headers (not long tube) and HKS step 1 cams and it isn't far away from the HR just is held back RPM wise.

 

 

I think a DE is a very good track car a lot cheaper to buy than a HR car as well. Reason our car has a HR was the DE was using oil and we needed to do some development ECU wise on the HR motors.

 

So if the motor goes its worth changing up go a HR then otherwise both are pretty close? I seem to remember you saying somewhere that swapping the HR into the DE was a massive pain.

No rebuild your motor , fitting a HR isnt worth the money we feel @ Abbey Motorsport

Out of curiosity, I notice you do not have the 'hump' bonnet that Nissan used with their HR 350. So how did you get round that?

run without the stock strut brace.

Out of curiosity more than anything, would you say the HR motor is a better base for a track car than the DE or RevUp?

I remember you saying the RevUp is kind of the 'ugly duckling' of the three when I came in for my UpRev tune.

dyno plot of DE (green plot) with Plenum spacer/drop in filter/stock cats and cat back exhaust and tuned with UPREV and our HR cat back exhaust/stock cats /drop in filters and UPREV tune

DE is pretty close in midrange torque but once your up in the revs the HR romps away.

below is a dyno plot of a DE with headers (not long tube) and HKS step 1 cams and it isn't far away from the HR just is held back RPM wise.

I think a DE is a very good track car a lot cheaper to buy than a HR car as well. Reason our car has a HR was the DE was using oil and we needed to do some development ECU wise on the HR motors.

Fitting spacers upsets the steering geometry.

Basically adding a spacer reduces the ET offset on the wheel so moving the Scrub radius (this is moving the pivot point for the wheel fro where it has be designed to work with KPI (King Pin inclination)

Below is a good little diagram to help you understand what I am talking about ( this is a generic drawing)

Trying to understand how the rear spacer will make the car feel and drive better thou.

What arms, alignment, tyre sizes etc etc lol

would need to spend sometime to sort out spring rates and damper specs.

Alignment numbers I can sort easily over the next few days.

The Red car runs 10 x 18 all round with 265/35 x 18 Weslake tyre (drift tyre) works very well, looking at going over to a 285 Tyre all round thou

Steves car runs 9 x 18 Frt and 10 x 18 Rear wheel with 265/35 x 18 frt and 285/30 rear 888 Toyo at the moment. Will be going over to 10 x 18 all round soon with a 285 or 295 Tyre all round.

We have found the Zed like a square set up wheel/tyre wise as they do under steer a little when a smaller tyre is used on the front

Early model 350Z fitted with HR motor,HKS super sound master exhaust still running stock cats and Uprev remap, Full cage still fitted with full interior trim, Proper seats and 5 point harnesses, extinguisher, AST dampers, numerous uprated suspension arms , Stoptech 355mm dia 4 port calipers all round, Abbey Motorsport engine oil cooler and rear diff oil cooler, OS Giken LSD. Seibon + front wings.

New damper set up def twin adjustable

Rear sub-frame out to change sub-frame mounts (as they are leaking) will change diff mounts and re-bush all the rear suspension at the same time.

Maybe new tyres gong up from 265 to a 285 all round.

New ECU we hope something with proper traction control Syvecs S8.