scottsoulby

I was wondering where all the critics had gone

The spacer is fine angled, it's only a 3mm angle and all the bolts are level it's how it was made, all thought about beforehand, I was copied from another spacer I had so it's ok

Yeah I'm not one for screwing anyone over, I prefer to be honest abouts things as for where I live, it's main a-b roads it was all the way home so it's been tested upto 70 so far, soon as it's settled at tight as it will go I'll rake it further, have no doubts it will withstand the punishment, hopefully if Bennett decides to buy one he will be able to track test it and dyno it

i should be receiving more pictures later so ill try post them up

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i go away to america on the 2nd so ill be dropping off the induction pipe, and centre console to get done, also i have interesting plans for the cooling panel, all to come in different threads though

ive not given it some beans yet, im letting it heat up and cool down a few times, so not noticed any increases, when i got home, i found the bolts could be tightened another turn, so ill go out again tommorrow to heat it up and see if they tighten anymore, instead of the gasket we have used vacuum tape, which is bascially like double sided tape but around 1mm thick, except it can take temps of upto 300'c, this is the reason im able to tighten it a little more when its warm, also it makes alot better seal. what im trying to do now is source a cork gasket like the one for the kinetix, so instead of the tape i can supply these with the kit, same with the throttle body. but for the moment it works a treat, a little issue to sort out, is that it sits quite tall so the strut is just catching, so we will be shaving a little off the spacer to stop that, currently the front of the spacer is 10mm and the back 7mm so theres plenty there. this is an easy fix. before payments start ill be running it for a few more days then ill probably start taking orders next week, the guys who made deposits will have the first ones though, its only right

think bennett has offered to do that, so ill knock him some money off if he does so..... ive driven it 26miles home with no problems at, certainly no heat problems, it was still cold when i opened the bonnet, so cant invisage any problems really, the thing is hard as a rock now there are ribs and stabilisers in there, no way its going to crack or shatter, ill keep it going on mine for a few days and bring it sunday so you can have a look for yourselves, certainly is a thing of beauty Pic fitted: Pic of the new underneath, stabilisers and extra layers, also covered in resin to stop splintering:

All sorted, no airleaks, no suckion or flex at all, it is absolutely amazing

Yeah 8-9mm thick in the top part, with 2 robs and 2 stabilisers, if it's going to hold when the car is at it's coldest, will have no problems when it's warm

Yeah that's what we are using as moulds then putting them in the same place

I now understand what guys were talking about when they mention vacuum... The plenum was all put in and ready then we turned the car on.... It sucked the carbon in, granted the engine was cold and at about 3000 revs, but te good thing about it, was that in no where near breaking point.. At the moment, we have currenty put ribs on the inside and coated over so it's still smooth, and ate currently making 6 stands for the inside to make sure it doesn't flex, so now the plenum is approx 8-9mm, strong isn't the word

Just at the workshop now fitting it, can't say much about it yet but I'm working a deal so I WILL NOT own the plenum or it's rights, but I would work on a commission on selling them, this way all the responsabilty would be on the company making them, which they seem happy with as they do believe these will not break during usage obviously I will get all this in writing I'll keep you updated along the way.....

Hopefully this will be all fitted tommorrow so people can see it at the howden meet if their interested

Couple of extra points.. It does have resin on the inside already, it will be smoothed out a bit yet to make it a little better, the plenum I have been told will be able to cope with upto 600 'c, the weight of it is 1.67kg compared to the oem 4.11kg, If anyone has any ideas how you would like this testing on my car I'm open to suggestions, dyno maybe a good idea, before and after..

its a bit rough round the egdes, but its the first one, and it will be sorted

why didnt i get all this advice in the first place when i first put this thread up, everyone seems to have waited until it was made

just received the plenum.... theres only 1 join on the whole thing so the chances of it splitting are minimal, if it did split, you would notice straight away, you would even notice a little crack in it as idle would be all over the place, the carbon is 5-6mm thick so it extra strong, i took a picture of patrick standing on it on concrete, and it didnt even flex, then he jumped on it, again, no flex, the spacer which is the thick black bit all the way round, is NOT hollow, so its like a chunk of metal except alot lighter, patrick told me, that it wouldnt shatter, and chances of it breaking are extremally small, he said it would take a fair few sledgehammer hits to get it too break, but thats upto him if he wants to prove it, pics to come

im pretty certain it will be, its all these it's and but's thats throwing a spanner in the works, which is all a very important and valid point, ill be putting this on my car, then i can tell you if its worked for me or not, then its up to you guys? the only reason it would be described as show use is for the intention of insurances etc ill be recieving one soon, ill put an excessive amount or pictures up, and ill ask questions, if patrick is delivering it about how thick it is, ratio of carbon to resin, ill asking him about cracking etc,hopefully it should give us an indication of how strong it will be, and if its upto him or me about the insurance, in a way im only the middle man, ill have to get some proper advice

i thought getting the plenum made was hard, little did i know

i could either, advertise it as show use only on here as well as sending a written letter stating that aswell, then proving it was advertised as show use wouldnt be to difficult, the plenum itself will be guranteed, then it will be upto me or patrick to decide whether the break was done because of the customer or because of a manufacturing problem, then depending on the outcome, it will be replaced if its as show use, if somebody then decides to put it on and rev the car, In the very small circumstance it breaks and damages the engine, its their fault, they fix the engine but the plenum is covered

Does that mean you have to carry the carbon plenum in the boot, then arrive, spend time swapping the plenums over and then swapping them back before driving home? PITA if you ask me. might aswell just make a plenum overlay then that you put on when you park up... (Or buy a trailer and don't drive the Zed at all ) in a way, yes thats exactly what it will mean, but its upto the user to decide if he wants to use it on the car? its like illegal things, neon lights under car, different colour bulbs etc etc, thye state show use only, but people still use them in other cases, i know its a different ball game but you get the idea

Scott, although you may not find any direct statements of insurance/guarantee relating to the faulty plenum causing damage, and they just mention guarantees of failure of the plenum iteslf, the product would still be covered under the sale of goods act. If the product is not fit for purpose and fails then the seller would be liable not only for the cost of the product, but if damage to any other component is directly attributable to the faulty product, they would also be liable for repairs to the other components. This is why the R&D is a highly important process. Although it may seem like some have put a dampener on this product, I feel they could be sving you from a VERY expensive legal minefield. Though if you do press ahead with the product, I can only suggest that you consult with an appropriate legal representative who should be able to inform you of all the necessary insurances you will need. It may also be the case that as the part is integral to the safe function of a motor vehicle that there are certain standards and tests which have to be passed in order to legally sell the product. This is certainly the case with tyre manufacturers, brake pad manufacturers and wheel manufacturers etc.. So could be worth some more investigation before placing this on any road going vehicle. The above is meant to be constructive, so please dont construe this a poo pooing your idea. i dont think that at all mate, any hel is good help i my opinion, would this still be the case if i did advertisae it as show use only?? that way, nothing possibly could break and damage anything?

is there anyone out there that you know of that could test it for me? and your right i couldnt afford 10x2500 in bills, im not sure how to do it, ive been looking for the kinetix insurance gurantee, it says that it covers the plenum itself but hadnt never mentioned any gurantee for engines? it will obviously limit how many people buy the product with no engine gurantee, maybe guarantee it like a few other things as show use only? then people can use it at their own risk? sounds crap, but im no fully fledge business with insurance's here and there?

im just going to stamp on it, my head hurts, way to much thinking is going on