Maggz

The problem you have, is that you expect people will actually think about how things work and try and research and understand how leaving or staying will impact their career, personal life and the economy as a whole. So until you start consuming Facebook and Twitter sound bites as your only news, and focus on what Sputnik and RT says, you're really not objective and are just regurgitating all the brainwashing propaganda by the pro EU radical left, which wants to open the borders and destroy our gorgeous country with immigrants from EU who only come here to steal our money, jobs, women and our babies. Oh and destroying the fisheries and NHS...that's also high on the agenda of the foreign invaders.

It's called being brainwashed. Balkan wars were full of people who believed with all their heart they're fighting for the right cause, what ever that was. There were even more people who did not fight, but did not want to leave their houses, livelihood, heritage, and stayed put during the war. Those people all became completely desensitised due to all the horrific stuff they saw and lived through. It doesn't matter if you're a soldier or a cook, PTSD is the same, and has to be treated. Any normal person watching an interview with such a person would be horrified, as we all were with this young lady. But it's a condition, and when combined with brainwashing it comes out as it did unfortunately. This takes years to treat and we have several countries in Europe which were affected in recent times with the same thing.

It's clear that you've not had a conversation with a 15 year old yet. It's even clearer that you've never met or talked to a person who lived or has survived a war. So you're just thinking of how you would act in your current state and are projecting this to everyone as the only way people function. What's the word I'm looking for... oh yeah, ignorant

My point was that not letting her back, does not reduce the terrorist risk in the UK as most terror attacks in the last few years were carried out by homegrown Brits. Leaving her there, does in fact increase the terror risk as her son will be brought up in a very non democratic and extremist environment.

Syrians don't don't drive over Brits. Brits which are radicalised in Britain drive over Brits. So i think we should focus on preventing radicalisation and not border control or passports being revoked

Interesting discussion. It's a shame more people don't talk about how she could have been brainwashed so much that she decided to leave her life behind and move to a war zone. Who brainwashed her, where, using what methods, and since she has left, how many others have suffered the same? At 15 no one is capable of making educated and well informed choices. We were all driven by hormones and emotions which I bet someone took advantage off. Bringing her back and finding out absolutely everything about her life and journey is the only way any lessons get learned. Having her kid grow up here offers a bigger chance he'll be normal than in Syria or anywhere like that. The govt should be making sure this doesn't happen again in the future, and not go for cheap political points of revoking her passport, alienating her and probably a few thousand other UK based Muslims. And they can't prevent it if they don't really know how and why that happened. Otherwise your neighborhood, friend, schoolmate could be next on the brainwashing list. Does anyone really want that?

It's not necessary to remove referendums, but as they're not legally binding and are advisory only, the elected officials need to have the balls to go against what was voted, if they think it's against the country interest. But parties are more concerned with losing votes than anything else so they take referendum results like gospel which is retarded. I mean racial segregation and slavery in the US would never get abolished if you did what the people wanted. Does that mean those 2 changes we're bad? Same with women's voting rights, was that a bad thing? I hope there will be an extension to A50 tho, as there's too much legislation missing and logistic and operational issues are so big currently that the impacts on the economy and jobs will be massive, and they don't need to be

Did you just assume people actually read full articles and watch all videos? But yeah, based on reciprocity, mainly due to the fact that there's over 1 million UK citizens living in the EU, as well as EU ones in the UK. It just makes sense and there's no need for visas for short stays (up to 90 days)

While trading with EU from Singapore through their free trade agreement, and being in an advantageous position as non UK companies will have tarrifs and will be less competitive. He was willing to throw the country under the bus for his financial gain, while he planned the move to Singapore to still have a free trade agreement he can use to trade in the EU. Completely normal, patriotic, and in the country's interest,....right?

Also please explain how the UK can do fairly well after it leaves? Only country in the world that will trade exclusive by WTO tarrifs until first trade deals get made. Americans are conditioning their trade deal with NHS privatisation, food and health standards being lowered, and car safety standards being lowered. And that's only for starting any negotiations. Australia had conditions about food standards lowering. What do you think Chinese will do? Request all spoils of war returned, visa free travel or severally laxed visas are implemented. Who else? India? Russia? Who else do we want to make conssessions with? I'm genuinely interested in where these great opportunities lie. To me it looks like we've cut off one of our feet and are trying to get ready to run a marathon. We're going to be in a severely weakened negotiating position with all the countries we want to make trade deals with, as we won't have any in place and only WTO rules to use. That's not a good starting place...

How are we scapegoats? What are you talking about? The UK decided to leave the EU because it thinks it's better off without it. But instead of leaving it demands all EU benefits without any payments or conssessions. The EU has been clear from before the vote happened. Accept all 3 pillars or don't have any. But our cretin politicians keep lying to us and ourselves that they can get a good deal which includes 1.5 pillars. Free movement of goods, but not people. No tarrifs on financial services and no ECJ rule. No border between Ireland and N Ireland, and no border in the UK. So if there's no borders how can you not be part of the EU? So everything we've been warned about has happened, how is that being a scapegoat? Italy cannot leave. They'll go bust in a year. They have a 375 billion EUR deficit and are begging the ECB for a bailout. How the hell do you see them leaving? Do you think them returning the Lira will help them? And Poland? Here's what Poland has become because of the EU:

What sources are that? Facebook, YouTube, and Sputnik news? https://www.statista.com/statistics/375203/gross-domestic-product-gdp-growth-rate-in-germany/

It should be simple but it won't be. The EU is a large market and can dictate a lot of things, I assume their schedules are therefore a lot better for the EU compared to schedules of non EU countries. UK copy pasting probably pi**ed off a few people as they want better conditions for themselves when trading with the UK, so changes and challenges from more countries is likely.

I think you can go to his profile and unfollow him, meaning you're still friends, you just won't see his posts. Doesn't prevent him from going off in comments on your post tho

Not only that but Taiwan challenged our proposed schedules so it seems there's another negotiation which will have to take place, this time for WTO tarrif rules https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1PA2TP

Can confirm. Loads of EU countries have had enough, they're done spending time on this, they got their own countries to run. Apart from Merkel desperate to keep the EUs geopolitical strength the rest seem to have stopped caring or are actually rooting for a hard Brexit, so that any other Eurosceptic countries realise what leaving feels like. I can't see this deal changing at all. So it's probably hard Brexit or no Brexit. Maybe an election in between, but those two options don't really change

I was stating facts about why the vote shifted on the day. Young believed the polls and thought their 1 vote didn't matter, old people went and voted. End off. Your point about me putting faith into young voters makes absolutely no sense. Where have I mentioned anything about where my faith was put? To what is this even related? Feels like one of us has ADHD as we're not even remotely talking about the same things...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/567922/distribution-of-eu-referendum-votes-by-age-and-gender-uk/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2017-39965925 How is this not common knowledge by now? Or do you purposely not read anything, ever...

I think the UK will need me and my taxes if I'm totally honest, especially the way things are going. So I'll let you thank me for staying...

Did you tag the wrong comment? This isn't making any sense

Just post everything you have. Saying you know @*!# but don't want to give any resources sounds like a kindergarten argument. Also you don't seem to know why Cameron called the referendum which is a bit sad really. He did it to get the Tori brexiters off his back as he was sure it won't pass. They've been crying about Europe for years in the party, so he wanted to shut them up apparently. There was no majority at that point, not even close lol. Leave campaign in combination with kids not voting won it.

Oh stop it with all the numbers, and logic. This is not what this thread is about

Largest economy isn't everything. Largest market by population is just as important if not more. American companies selling goods don't necessarily care how much turnover the UK has, but how many people will buy their products. So the UK is not really important with only 60M people compared to EU, US, China, etc. These are not my words btw ... Obama's government said that the US needs trade deals with biggest markets and the UK will have to wait it's turn due to its size.

Oh boy.... You've mentioned 3 or 4 countries out of over 20. So yes majority of EU countries are scratching their heads. 1 out of those you mentioned is not even a full country but a single party not even close to any majority. It's like saying UKIP represents the UKs opinion. LePen basically is the French UKIP, just a lot more extreme. After the Brexit vote individual European country initiatives for exiting reduced by half. After UK goes to the gutter for a decade, the rest of the initiatives will cease to exist as well probably. You mentioned it's early days with uprisings against the EU establishment, this part clearly shows you are paying zero interest in any EU country development as this is totally opposite of any reports in the last 2 years. You're talking out of your ass mate

Context is needed here. LePen is a leader of a hard right, racist party, which she is trying desperately to show as a moderate one. Google about her dad, who started it. She's been funded by Russia for years, not even a secret. Any party which wants to break up the union gets money from Ruskies. Italy and their 5 star movement is even worse, but I really don't want to suffocate everyone with my walls of text, it would need to be a totally separate thread, although I did mention Italy in a lengthy post. Those two should in my honest opinion not be used as any indication of European countries, as they represent a very small minority of pi**ed off right wing, anti immigration, EU fund guzzling communities/parties. Poland tho, is a mistery to me as they're split heavily internally between people wanting their president to become an autocrat and those that want him hanged. Same in Hungary with Orban.