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did bulletmagnet have these aswell ? he had similar ones for going out to live in Germany and eating currywursts Dont think there where angel, think there where black Kouki Spec lights

your headlight beams will point the wrong way and could be an mot issue buster on here has them light but i think a UK version maybe worth asking him

Like that alot i really need to come down to one of the UR meets your involved in

Really? You want to go round in this circle again? Can you not just go back and re-read what I've already written rather than making us both type it all out again in slightly different words? It's hot, I'm tired, lazy.and this brick wall is starting to give me a headache. re-read it same points still stand At the end of the day all petrolheads are going to sit there and cry that its happening and be in denial, trying to find reasons its wont work, Be it claming we dont have the infrastructure claiming we cant progress that far in 100 years Petrol will be cheaper so we should stick with it but the real world that doesn't have time for dan in his v8 german whip, it will be driving around in cars which cost them peanuts to drive, Regardless if there right or wrong governments are pushing EV, no im not saying we will all be in a Ev in 2020 or even 2070 for that matter, As i have said we have a good few decades of hybrids before we go full EV and no i don't mean a horrible puris think along the lines of a golf gti with 1.4 litre engine and electric motor making 350bhp or a nissan 150sx with a 1.5 litre 3 cyl and a electric motor, But i would estimate that by 2070 the majority of new cars on the road are EV if not all that doesn't mean MR stuck in his ways in a classic 350Z doesnt enjoy driving it at a weekend to a classic car show or someone is struggling on in a 2050 ford focus 0.5 litre twin cylinder hybrid thats 20 years old The Leaf/zoe is the Ford model T of its type (similar years in there centenary too) now the same progression will apply and by 2115 something new will be on the horizon as EV wont be viable anymore

As I recall it, it was based on Gangzoom proffering 2020 and your own comment of; "A handfull" of years doesn't equate to 100 to me, which is how we got onto this whole supply & demand disagreement. Even "in a lifetime" doesn't quite equate to 100 to me though, but at least that's close enough to accept. Right and what wrong with that? i havent said the petrol wont exist and EV will bit it have i? I just said the cost of running Ev will be less than petrol than it is now? Also you think 100 years is to short to be a life time? and your questioning things im saying?

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5 year rule came from Gangzoom talking about "by 2020" actually. Everyone else is talking about "in a life time" because everyone else has a more realisitic timescale in mind. ok so it is was your speculation i was talking about 2020 aswell then?? in regards to your coal question i have no solid proof on coal prices other than my closet interest of steam locomotives and speaking to people who fire and drive them at heritage railways that the cost of coal is almost 4-5 times what it was in the time of British railways.

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I didn't say it was the highest everer though. Compare it to the 1250-1350 usage, today's use rates are extortionate... Context dear boy, context. As a side note, if you're thinking about 65-165 years ago as a fair comparison for a hypothetical future just 5 years away; have you applied inflation rates to the price of coal in 1850-1950? If not, how do you know that the price is higher now despite the comparitively lower demand? your the person playing with a 5 year rule everyone else in talking about in a life time, Context dear boy

thing is yoursaying that as a petrol head, say in 10-15 years we have a ev car that will do 300 Miles to a charge and charge in 30 mins you tell mrs jones who wants to take her son to school and go waitrose once a week for the same money as a ford focus she can have a EV that will cost here about £10 a month in fuel and little to non existence service costs and when she stops a waitrose she can plug here car in charge up, the majority of road users who see cars as a thing to go places will jump at the chance to have one

But this is the joy of invention and progress, we didnt need electricity in the early 1900 now every home in this country has it we found away last time we will find away this time be it solar roads or pressure roads etc there will be away

we didnt have the road infrastructure 60 years ago we have now,

you said our lifetime so its on till we both die

If you call are coal usage high now to what we where using from the around 1850-1950 then word high needs to be redefined

Fixed. All conjecture any way, it's nothing any of us will see in our lifetime. I'll put £100 on that. deal! but in 100 years we went from streets with This to this Why you dont think in 100 years we cant go from a fossil fuel powered truck to a Ev powered truck i have no idea

How many companies have you heard of that are happy to have gone out of business instead then? I didn't say they'd be happy about it, doesn't mean they wouldn't do it though. call it which way you want we went form coal to leaded petrol Coal is now more expensive now that when it was in demand we went from leaded fuel to unleaded fuel, leaded fuel is now more expensive than it was when it was in demand I have zero doubt that unleaded petrol will do the same when we transfer are main power supply of vehicles to electric

Utter bobbins. Of course there's things to service! Please don't tell me that EV owners in general (not you, I'm sure you wouldn't as you're not daft) genuinely believe that they can buy one of these things and never worry about taking it to a garage for an annual look over? I can't believe people that buy these would be home mechanics either, as a rule. What do you want to service??? There is no oil to change, no filters, brakes wear slowly due to regen. Even the 'coolant' doesn't require changing on the Leaf till 125k. Electric motors theses days are probably one of the most reliable appliances around, so unlike turbo charged ICE units which we all know are 'sensitive' at the best of times. Yes suspension/tyres wear, but you hardly need to 'service' one to anywhere near the same degree as any ICE car. i guess brakes tyres lights, suspension more inspection than service but still need to be serviced

love it but think if i was going that way i would try a forsberg and get the Vk56

this just confirms my theory of dan he goes to london on the pride parade day in a technicolour bmw talks to me about sucking on a pink one and now hes showing you his big stick But like you said Us petrol heads of many areas of globe are so small and insignificant in our numbers that the world will learn towards EV faster and faster

Most (sensible) businesses will opt for the smaller profit rather than pricing themselves so high chasing the same profit that they drive all their customers to the alternative and put themselves out of business altogether. Not sure share holders would agree Course they will, lets make an example, if asda sell 100 tooth brushes for £1 and tesco sells 75 of the identical tooth brushes for £1.33, they will both have sold £100 worth of tooth brushes. Now, as Asda are selling more tooth brushes than tesco, they can buy them in at a lower price, lets say 10p each compared to tesco's 15p each. Asda - cost £10, sales £100 profit £90 Tesco - cost £11.25, sales £99.75 profit £88.50 sometimes selling for less works better I have never heard of company who is happy to have a lower profit margin than last year ever

Yeah, I mean it's not like supply and demand is an established economic principal or anything. What you've found is one exampe of supply driven pricing, which tends to be a long term effect. You seem to be thinking long term, whilst I'm talking mid-term - largley because we're not even close to 80% of road users driving EV's and it'll be a while before we are. Think of it in terms of diesel, which used to be cheaper than petrol, demand for diesel went up and the price followed at a larger rate than the less in-demand petrol which is now cheaper than diesel. Water vs coke ? Travelodge vs Hilton ? Lidl vs waitrose Supply and demand only works in cases like Apple where it's a desired or luxury item, supply and demand only reallly works when the supply is less of demand Because less people buy jaguars than Ford's doesn't swap the price So if you only have 10% of the supplier of petrol it will go up as less competation