stuarty

Their benefits are their pay!!!! Some of them cannot work at all.... and yes they can spent it on whatever thay want. If they go buy coke and sniff if off a hookers breasts, go for it because they didnt choose to be disabled and making the most of what they cclass as a pathetic life which were paying into the tax to make better for them.

 

Argue at the dole punters with a 300k house at 18 and money for weed because they dnt want to work

I'm speechless!

Having mobility is a hobby? So legally disabled people should be told to stay at home? Look I'm not commenting on this anymore because you've already said to stick big disabled stickers on they're cars so we can tell they are using mobility benefit. What else would you like. Labels for people on the dole. O tell you what how about you just tattoo their claim numbers on their arms and have done with it.

 

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Dude, what are you talking about?

Your quoting me when it was someone else who referred to it as a hobby. I suggest you go back a page and read the post in question and get off your high horse!

I can understand both sides of the argument, having friends who are disabled and pay extra to get a car they would like on the scheme and parents who are disabled who given their situation should be allowed on the scheme but weren't for one crazy reason or another.

 

But stuart i really don't think you did yourself any favours in the way you expressed your point. Im a relaxed person but even i got wound up by the way you made your point. Your anger at your friend and resentment over his taking advantage of the system then turned into a blanket statement that disabled people shouldnt have any choice as to the type or colour of vehicle they drive and should all have big stickers to highlight the fact they are disabled.

 

Rather than put forward a logical argument the only outcome of your post is to wind people up - which it did.

Sorry you feel tat way!

Could it not be that i'm simply fecked off by the way others go without essential items to fund this scheme?

How many times has someone said to you "why do you need a car like that" when commenting on your zed. Fact is there correct, you dont need such a car to get from A to B. But you choose to do so because its your choice what you do with your hard earned cash. But benefits are benefits!

Ive already pointed out earlier that my comment regarding the big sign on the car was harsh, but did so out of frustration after a nasty day!

The biggest claimants of welfare support are pensioners, they are currently the biggest drain on society. I think they account for something like 80% of the welfare bill. Disability claimants are a very small allocation.

Yeah, but todays pensioners paid for there pension in advance. Its not their fault the bankers fecked their investment up. Also the government don't take into account "top up benefits" like tax credits.

Some folk get more top up benefits than someone who doesn't work. The number unemployed and receiving benefits is misleading to say the least. The government would rather you worked a few hour a day and get top up benefits instead of being unemployed because the numbers look better at election time!

Only one quick thing to add. Governments own figures show that benefit fraud (because someone said about stats earlier on in the post) etc makes up a tiny amount of the overall benefit bill. Most benefits are paid to people that need em. As for mobility cars. Not sure. Should help people retain their mobility without a doubt and that's the most important thing

 

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I whole heartily agree, mobility is paramount to lead a meaningful life. But there's mobility and theres mobility!

Stuarty are u even reading what we type? Government gives them 200quid for a focus... get rhat 200 and put it on an m3 and pay 300 extra yourself with ur wages.

 

What dont u understand about this???

Are you not reading what ive wrote?

Mobility cars should be means tested. If you can afford the extra £300 to fund a better car, then you shouldn't get the initial £200 in the first place. Just buy a car with you £300.

So if i were entitled to £500 per month housing benefit and i can afford to put another £500 to it, should i be able to do this and buy a bigger better house? No!

 

Yes but if every disabled person get 1k a month. If u get a car they give u 200 for a car and 800 pay. If a car is ur hobbie, then yes u can add 300 of ur 800 to the car and have 500 for the rest u need.

Fact is its a benefit mate! It shouldn't be used to fund hobbies. I really don't think your grasping the seriousness of the dire state the health service is in! Think about what this "hobby money" could be used for!

I wouldn't stop at big stickers on the cars Stuarty, you need to tackle the problem much earlier at primary school where they are costing the tax payer money, orange vests, and made to sit in the corner! Infact don't even let them go to school, keep them out of sight. Other people have had similar ideas, but they were mad dictators or clinically insane, or both.

Ok, i really recent this comment!

I'm simple talking about mobility cars this is at another level!

 

No offense intended Stuarty, I just thought "should also be wrapped with a big disabled logo on the side." .was perhaps a little extreme,

Yeah maybe i was a bit harsh with that comment, but I've had a rough day watching people being discriminated to fund other people luxury's!!!

Stuarty are u even reading what we type? Government gives them 200quid for a focus... get rhat 200 and put it on an m3 and pay 300 extra yourself with ur wages.

 

What dont u understand about this???

Are you not reading what ive wrote?

Mobility cars should be means tested. If you can afford the extra £300 to fund a better car, then you shouldn't get the initial £200 in the first place. Just buy a car with you £300.

So if i were entitled to £500 per month housing benefit and i can afford to put another £500 to it, should i be able to do this and buy a bigger better house? No!

It seems like u got angry mr.m3 and made a post to realise u might be over the top exaggerating. And just sticking to ur guns.

 

U dont want to make disabled people suffer. Yet u want a sticker on their car? Disabled people dont want other people knowing their disabled. TTheywant to be normal.

 

I hold doors open for normal and disabled. It doesnt make a difference they just have extra set of legs to assist.

 

U say they shiuld have crap car. This costa money and as stu and ekona have already mentioned, put that money towards a car they pay into.

 

I dont think you knew all about the situation and money logistics behind the scenes before u posted the thread.

 

I get angry at people taking disabled spaces at my work when their not disabled but thats because I know those people arent disabled.

 

Its not ur job to say someone cant park in disabled bay. Thats traffic wardens job. And police. And youve parked on a double yellow before? We all have for that 1minute jump to cash machine. Same thing, let the enforcers enforce it and leave those disabled to try live normal

I agree mostly with this comment. But as i work in a health care environment i see people in need being turned away on a regular bases. So excuse me for being a little hacked off when i see someone driving an M3 and someone being turned down fir an appliance for there kid who suffers from cystic fibrosis in the same day!

The fact is, i've never said in this thread that any Disabled person should not have access to a car. All ive said is tat the choice of car should be very limited.

If you want a sports car, great, simply buy it yourself!

I look at mobility cars the same way i look at wheelchairs, zimmer frames, walking sticks, artificial legs, glass eyes and any other medical appliance or prosthetic item.

Which is ironic, coming from someone who works for the NHS for two days a week, who must see the benefit to the disabled these things bring.

Yeah, your spot on. I see people in need every day!!

I also see people who really need things and simply cant get them. So you'll excuse me if i get hacked off by folk being able to use such benefits to fund luxury items.

Also please don't start taking this thread to the next level, its simply about mobility cars. No one can compare a luxury item such as a sports car too medicine for a Cancer patient or an appliance for a war veteran or a disabled child.

Fact is its only a car to get the the people in need from a to b and not a life saving item!

I wouldn't stop at big stickers on the cars Stuarty, you need to tackle the problem much earlier at primary school where they are costing the tax payer money, orange vests, and made to sit in the corner! Infact don't even let them go to school, keep them out of sight. Other people have had similar ideas, but they were mad dictators or clinically insane, or both.

Ok, i really recent this comment!

I'm simple talking about mobility cars this is at another level!

[Then i see a tosser driving his mobility car to the nature reserve along the road, jump out and walk his dog a few moles everyday!

If you are desperate enough, you should be grateful for any car you get otherwise our not needing it enough!

 

Mobility cars are not just for the unable bodies. My mate has terminal cancer and simply cant work anymore. He gets a allowance for a car, maybe the "Tosser" you mentioned might be in the same boat.

Sorry about you friend! No this guy is a tosser known him for over 30 years. He's been on benefits till his kids grew up and left home and went straight from that to DSA, he's proud to point this fact out by continually pointing out that only in this country can he live in a 4 bedroom house, get a benefits including a car and all he has to do in return s attend a medical and pish the chair he sits in and bingo its all good for a while longer!

The fact is, i've never said in this thread that any Disabled person should not have access to a car. All ive said is tat the choice of car should be very limited.

If you want a sports car, great, simply buy it yourself!

I look at mobility cars the same way i look at wheelchairs, zimmer frames, walking sticks, artificial legs, glass eyes and any other medical appliance or prosthetic item.

 

 

Explain to me why i know lots of folk, who simply cant afford any car and who have to rely on public transport or jock's pony to get from A to B?

 

 

Other than select few born with the silver spoon in mouth, We were all born with the same chances in this country with education paid for by the goverment, If these people didnt do well in school or try hard to get in a good job thats there desicion not like someone who is hit by a bus and is now disabled.

 

So yes someone who has become disabled deserves a car.

Most of the people i am referring too are educated but simple cant get a job that they have trained for and rather than sitting on there A hole, they take what job they can and work hard at it.

Furthermore at no point did i say a disabled person should not get a free car, i'm simply saying there choice should be restricted to certain more suitable cars. That way they could be recycled and used by someone else with a similar disability.

So basically, you're saying that if you're disabled then tough luck, you deserve to be singled out as a cripple forever?

 

Dude, I'm as hard-nosed as they come, but even I find that a bit cold. I would rather my tax money go to getting disabled people cars than to anyone who chooses to breed. That's a much bigger waste of money, as they have a choice: I'm pretty sure that the disabled do not.

Your missing the point! At no point have i suggested that disabled folk should suffer. Do you really think that being given a simple car, fit for purpose is "tough luck"?

It should be take it and use it or leave it and buy what you can afford!

And go take a photo of every house with a bus stop outside it... my house is 10minute walk from a bus stop. So.... explain? Taxi everywhere? People want a freedom since they cant ski and play football with their kids. If 1 person out of 50 abuses the system, let it go. Dont ruin the other 49 people who jjustwant to live a normal life

Explain to me why i know lots of folk, who simply cant afford any car and who have to rely on public transport or jock's pony to get from A to B?

A car is not an essential item. Its a luxury. Also the St Andrew's ambulance service has a perfectly good PTS service for folk like your friend and its free at point of use. What more ould you ask for?

Okay if u get disabled ill make sure u never ever get behind the wheel yeah? So if someone hits u in the road, just know that ur never gonna drive and if I do let u drive, im gonna make sure every single person knows ur ddisabled and crippled by sticking a big sticker on ur crappy 1.2 punto.

 

Sound fair?

Sounds fair to me!

If i were in an accident and could no longer work and i had to go to regular medical appointments and the only 2 options were get the bus or drive a disability car like the old robin reliant used to be i'd gratefully take the car.

BTW, when did it become everyone's god given right to own a car. Remember its a luxury item!!!!!!

Just looked on the mobility website you cant get a M3?

 

it list all the cars your allowed a grant on

 

http://www.motability.co.uk/cars-and-wavs/search/cars/?subType=1&originalTotalRows=2&allowance_type=DLA&web_rangemake=BMW&web_model=3+Series&web_car_type=Small+cars&web_car_type=Medium+cars&web_car_type=Family+cars&web_car_type=Estates&web_car_type=MPVs&web_car_type=SUVs%2F4x4s&web_car_type=Coupes%2FRoadsters%2FCabriolets&Find=

Trust me he has an M3!

My father in law had his leg amputated when he was 18 as a result of a work related injury. He died a few years ago aged 65. All his days he received his disability allowances. He choose not to take the car and instead used the money for whatever else. Moral of this story is, if he could get about using public transport, 75% of others in the same position can.

So tell me again why they need a free car? Or help towards whatever car they want?

I agree with Ddcboyle.

 

Give them a certain amount, if they want to top it up then go ahead. If I was crippled suddenly I'd like the choice to drive something fun rather than a generic flid wagon, thank you very much.

Disagree, if they can get in and out a sports car, give them a bus pass instead and let them buy whatever car they want. Also disability allowance for a car should be means tested. Why should someone who has plenty cash, be given a brand new car?

They need to scrap all these benefits, give only to the most in need and increase whatever they give pensioners who PAID into the system more and all the pensioners who didn't food vouchers!

 

So ur saying to the millionaires who spent 40% of their cash on tax to go buy their own car even thiugh they pay into the system more than us?

 

And focus on the dole punters who wont work in mcdonalds rather than disabled people. If they have a car its not cus they went "sore baxk gimme a car", its because a doctor has decided it. And what if they get sore back but love sporrs cars? And can handle a nice 30minute drive to be a normal life, then sit back in their chair for the other 23 hr 30?

If they can drive a nice sports car, great. Let them buy themselves 2! But if they want a practical car that is ESSENTIAL for them to attend hospital appointments or doctors appointments then give them a yellow fiat panda with a disabled sign. That way we can all politely help them go about there business and give them priority.

C'mom mate, you must be pi**ed when you see folk drive up in there E class or M class slap the disabled badge on the window WHEN it suits them.

I disagree. My mate broke all his ankle in military, and he has to get disabled car for the switch over pedal. For him to get an m3, he pays a certain amouny more per month. So... focus is the standard car for free. For a focus st u pay 100piund a month, for m3 u pay 239 a month. They should be entitled to have a car they want and not be told they must let everyone know their disabled

I couldn't disagree more! Every mobility car should be a practical car tat suits everyone. All the same colour and defo ave a big sign on it. Far too many folk ripping the **** out of it!

There's an elderly lady in my street who is 87 years old with 2 walking sticks. Takes her 20 minutes to walk less tan 200m to catch the bus at the end of the road every morning. Then i see a tosser driving his mobility car to the nature reserve along the road, jump out and walk his dog a few moles everyday!

If you are desperate enough, you should be grateful for any car you get otherwise our not needing it enough!

 

Okay so my mate that served his country and in process messed his ankle up isnt allowed a nice car because hes disabled??? Yes its paid for, but so are all ur medication and police force. And disabled sign can screw right off. Id hate it someone saying that. The government help disabled people out because thats nhs cover we all pay into

 

U can see a person walking fine but u have no idea their situation. My mum has disabled badge (not a car though atm), she can walk fine, but she cant walk for long periods or sit for long periods. So u will see her park in disabled and walk out fine, 30minutes into shopping her legs can give way and she will struggle to walk... so thats why shes in disabled parking. Dont judge someone because they may walk fine.

 

On the car note. U say give them a basic car. Say that costs 200quid a month and nhs covers rhat.. whats ur issue with them paying a bit extra for a nice car? Its @*!# enough for then struggling and being judged for being disabled as it is. My mate is so limited to jobs, so yeh limit him to a @*!# car too why not

I hold all our Military in high esteem, but they do get paid, they do get a pension, they know that there's a risk that they will go to war and get injured. They all know this when they sign up.

A disabled badge is one thing a brand new car every 2 years at the expense of the tax ayer is another!

Dont shoot me, the statistics are there to be read. This country cant afford to keep this up!!

Nope they pay a certain amount. My mate got a 1.9 diesel astra for 50quid a month, no insurance or tax to pay just fuel. But he wanted a vxr but cant afford the 150 extra a month as he has to find a new job aswell, so its not just... have an m3 for free.

 

And 100% disagree with big disabled sign plastrred on the sign. Thats like someone having cancer and sticking tattoo on their forehead. I know thats not the way u meant it to come accross, but thats how it is

No thats exactly how i meant it!

If you are so in need that you require a mobility car then everyone who pays tax should know it!

Fact is most benefits are essential but mobility cars are a luxury this country cant afford. A bus pass would get them where ever they need to go just the same!

I agree with Ddcboyle.

 

Give them a certain amount, if they want to top it up then go ahead. If I was crippled suddenly I'd like the choice to drive something fun rather than a generic flid wagon, thank you very much.

Disagree, if they can get in and out a sports car, give them a bus pass instead and let them buy whatever car they want. Also disability allowance for a car should be means tested. Why should someone who has plenty cash, be given a brand new car?

They need to scrap all these benefits, give only to the most in need and increase whatever they give pensioners who PAID into the system more and all the pensioners who didn't food vouchers!

I disagree. My mate broke all his ankle in military, and he has to get disabled car for the switch over pedal. For him to get an m3, he pays a certain amouny more per month. So... focus is the standard car for free. For a focus st u pay 100piund a month, for m3 u pay 239 a month. They should be entitled to have a car they want and not be told they must let everyone know their disabled

I couldn't disagree more! Every mobility car should be a practical car tat suits everyone. All the same colour and defo ave a big sign on it. Far too many folk ripping the **** out of it!

There's an elderly lady in my street who is 87 years old with 2 walking sticks. Takes her 20 minutes to walk less tan 200m to catch the bus at the end of the road every morning. Then i see a tosser driving his mobility car to the nature reserve along the road, jump out and walk his dog a few moles everyday!

If you are desperate enough, you should be grateful for any car you get otherwise our not needing it enough!

My cars reg and the wife's reg plates are nearly identical except her's starts with a P and mine an S!