Removed Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 ok want to get to the bottom of this (as much as I can anyway) from an official Uk manual " Sudden turns (such as spin turns, acceleration turns), drifting, etc. When ESP function is OFF (ESP OFF SW ON) may cause the yaw rate/side G -sensor system indicate a problem. However, this is not a malfunction if normal operation can be resumed after restarting engine. Then erase memory of self-diagnosis." More: "ESP Function EFS0047S In addition to the TCS/ABS function, the driver steering amount and brake operation amount are detected from steering angle sensor and pressure sensor, and vehicle's driving status (amount of under-steering / over-steering) is determined from information from yaw rate/side G-sensor, wheel sensor, etc., and this information is used to improve vehicle stability by controlling the braking and engine power to all four wheels. SLIP indicator lamp flashes to inform the driver of ESP operation. During ESP operation, body and brake pedal lightly vibrate and mechanical noises may be heard. This is normal. ABS warning lamp, ESP OFF indicator lamp, and SLIP indicator lamp might turn on when vehicle is subject to strong shaking or large vibration, such as when vehicle is on a turn table or a ship while engine is running. In this case, restart engine on a normal road, and if ABS warning lamp, ESP OFF indicator lamp, and SLIP indicator lamp turn off, there is no problem. TCS Function EFS0047T The wheel spin of the drive wheels is detected by ESP/TCS/ABS control unit from the wheel speed signals from four wheels, so if wheel spin occurs, rear wheel right and left brake fluid pressure control and engine fuel cut are performed while throttle value is restricted to reduce the engine torque and decrease the amount of wheel spin. In addition, the degree throttle is opened is controlled to achieve the optimum engine torque. Depending on road circumstances, the driver may have a sluggish feel. This is normal, because the optimum traction has the highest priority under TCS operation. TCS may be activated any time vehicle suddenly accelerates, suddenly downshifts, or is driven on a road with a varying surface friction coefficient. During TCS operation, it informs a driver of system operation by flashing SLIP indicator lamp." More: "ABS Function EFS0047U The anti-lock brake system is a function that detects wheel revolution while braking, and it improves handling stability during sudden braking by electrically preventing 4 wheel lock. Maneuverability is also improved for avoiding obstacles. If the electrical system breaks down, then the fail-safe function starts, the ABS becomes inoperative, and ABS warning lamp turns on. Electrical system diagnosis by CONSULT-II is available. EBD Function EFS0047V Electronic Brake Distributor is a function that detects subtle slippages between front and rear wheels during braking, and it improves handling stability by electronically controlling the brake fluid pressure which results in reduced rear wheel slippage. In case of electrical system break down, the fail-safe function is activated, EBD and ABS becomes inoperative, and ABS warning lamp and brake warning lamp are turned on. Electrical System Diagnosis by CONSULT-II is available. Fail-Safe Function EFS0047W ESP / TCS SYSTEM In case of throttle control system trouble, ESP OFF indicator lamp and SLIP indicator lamp are turned on, and the condition of vehicle is the same as the condition of vehicles without ESP / TCS equipment. In case of trouble to the throttle control system, the ABS control continues to operate normally without ESP / TCS control. CAUTION: If the fail-safe function is activated, then perform the self- diagnosis for ESP/TCS/ABS control system. ABS, EBD SYSTEM In case of electrical malfunctions with the ABS, ABS warning lamp, ESP OFF indicator lamp and SLIP indicator lamp will turn on. In case of electrical malfunctions with the EBD, brake warning lamp, ABS warning lamp, ESP OFF indicator lamp and SLIP indicator lamp will turn on. Simultaneously, the ESP/ TCS/ABS become one of the following conditions of the fail-safe function. 1. For ABS trouble, only the EBD is activated and the condition of vehicle is the same condition of vehicles without ESP/TCS/ABS equipment. 2. For EBD trouble, the EBD and ABS become inoperative, and the condition of vehicle is the same as the condition of vehicles without ESP/TCS/ABS, EBD equipment. NOTE: In condition 1 described above, an ABS self-diagnosis sound may be heard. That is a normal condition because a self-diagnosis for “Key Switch ON†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 That all reads as if it has been translated literally from Japanese. It doesn't really help us with the questions posed earlier in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 EBD: We have one of these on our import JDM Zeds don't we? A thread in the general section was making the point that one of the main differences between UK and JDM Zeds was we don't have this facility? My understanding was we did and I have I think what's called an ESP switch near to my petrol cap opener. Would someone mind confirming this and also explaining if there are any other braking / suspension differences between UK and JDM, tried the differences section but no joy? Cheers this question has already been answered Jim... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leenx Posted October 7, 2006 Author Share Posted October 7, 2006 This might help - or open a new can of worms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leenx Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 I'm still not certain what braking programs I have looking back on this thread and contrasting with the spec sheet from Bonsai - all I know is it has TCS, the replies are suggesting that ABS is standard amoungst UK, USA and JDM whatever the version, but I've not seen this present whether it be a sign that lights up or in the manual? Anyone else know? Don't think it's worth contacting Nissan UK - Have you tried calling them - usually half hour wait and when you do get through they're not interested as it's an import! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I'm still not certain what braking programs I have looking back on this thread and contrasting with the spec sheet from Bonsai - all I know is it has TCS, the replies are suggesting that ABS is standard amoungst UK, USA and JDM whatever the version, but I've not seen this present whether it be a sign that lights up or in the manual? Anyone else know? Don't think it's worth contacting Nissan UK - Have you tried calling them - usually half hour wait and when you do get through they're not interested as it's an import! ABS standard on all spec Zeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 try it! deserted road, go to the speed limit then slam on the brakes. if it feels like ABS ("pumping" pedal and no locked tyres) then you have it That's how I checked on Debbie's Yaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 My understanding of the technology is that the systems used in ABS form the electronic basis for the TCS. In other words, you can't have TCS without ABS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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