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I compared Belgian prices to Belgian prices for a full operational leasing.

btw i edited it, forgot to calculate road tax

I did the same calculation for my TT when buying it and it came to paying nearly the same cost of ownership, with that difference that at the end the car was mine, or the leasing company's. The choice was quickly made

On the subject of leasing, where you are "only paying the deprecation..."

I did some calculations:

VW Golf V GTi, standard car, no options: (couldn't find a Z on the leasing company's website)

full leasing with fuel: 25.000km / year , 5 years.

1029.9€ / month. Giving the total at the end of: 61794€

If we were to buy it (same spec):

price: 25.950,00€ (without dealer discount ! )

insurance (full coverage): approx. 1500€ / year (that was what i payed for the TT) = 7500€

tax to put it on the road for the first time: 2500€

yearly road tax: 250€ * 5 = 1250€

fuel: 125.000 km at lets say 10l/100km = 12500 l * 1.5 = 18750

maintenance / tyres: if I take again what my TT cost me i ll be 3 sets of front tyres, one set of rears and maintenance every 15.000km

3 sets of front tyres at approx 180€ * 6 = 1080€

1 set of rears: 180€ * 2 = 360€

maintenance: between 150 - 350€ (never paid more. I know, its cheaper than in the UK)

so lets say 250€ on average * 8 = 2000 + 1000€ for miscellaneous stuff (cambelt or i dunno whatelse, or brake pads ... )

total:

25950€

2500€

1250€

7500€

18750€

1080€

360€

3000€

------

60390 €

remember, the leasing was : 61794€

now lets factor in a loan for buying the car which will make it approx 2500€ more expensive in the end

62890€

Which leads us to difference of 1096€. So if this car is worth more than 1096€ leasing is a lot more expensive in this case.

Imagine selling the car for 8000€ after 5 years, which you cannot do with the leasing, because at the end it is gone. Net result:

-62890

+ 8000

--------

54890€ total cost of ownership, which is a difference of 6904€ compared to leasing. And this does not take into account that you usually get a discount from the dealer when buying a new car (for my Z this was somewhere around 7-8%)

Now this is not a very scientific investigation and your numbers may vary wildly, but anyhow .....

*edit, forgot road tax ...

Love the song on the vid

and how many dBs does this produce?

...

ok,

that makes sense. But that surface melting stuff sounds quite extreme, no? How many meters do you have to aquaplane to have that

maybe in aviation the speeds are a bit higher than when talking about cars?

So why do people tend to recommend smaller tyres in wet conditions then?

What you are saying is that driving a Porsche with 315 width rear tyres over a puddle of water will do the same as driving that car with a 185 width rear tyre?

And if width doesn't matter, why do motorcycles have nearly no risk of aquaplaning except for in very extreme circumstances?

errr.

What is this gibberish?

It doesn't even take into account the tyre width nor the thread.

Ok, Top Gear series has ended so I amused myself by downloading this season's Fifth Gear episodes. (Mind you I am from "the other side of the water", so we don't have that show on tv here )

My god, except for the fact that they don't hate motorcycles like JC, what is this stuff ? VBH constantly screaming and giggling like a 14-year old .... The only person in that show worth watching is Tiff Needell. I really get the impression they are trying to imitate Top Gear but they just can't cut it (in doing crazy stuff with cars). I mean, maybe the ideas are not so bad but they lack a bit in punch and creativity (like that episode where they try running a car without oil. Couldn't they think of anything more original to do than just drive around in rounds until the thing seized? Now wahaa, what a surprise, the engine broke without oil, behold!).

Anyhow,

I want Top Gear back (at least until the MotoGP/WSBK season starts )

The last one is priceless

Never heard anyone on here complain about the fact that his/her car is a JDM.

Just don't get one with Satnav, unless you plan driving to Japan

Call me a snob but I like my watches swiss and my cars Japanese.

 

+1 ...and my beer Belgian

 

And my food Indian

... and the women ..... ?

Pic 2 which GIXXERUK supplied above looks pretty

thats because it is a good picture, the lighting makes the bonnet really blend in with the side panels near the windows. The rest of the pics show what horrid car it really is

You can pick up a 03 with low mileage for around $19-20k, which is around £10k here!!!!

1) 7 years ago, that $20k corresponded to £15K.

2) they don't have VAT, they have state tax in (some/most)states, which is never added to the price you see, but only added when the invoice is made (which adds another 8-15% to the price)

the houses are cheaper in malaysia!!

 

Catch the bus?

 

With wages as low as they are it doesnt make a difference when you live here.

 

However, a nice 3 bed flat on river valley rd in singapore will cost you around 650,000 (and thats in British Pounds)

Salaries in Singapore aren't that low you know

The thing that's getting me p'd with the Zed is all this back end stepping out business, just makes me feel on edge all the time in the wet. And god knows if we have really bad snow - I'm considering winter tyres - they're compulsory in Germany, they have similar winters to us.

You want 280+ horses on the rear wheels, this is what you get. Can't cope with it? Get a Golf

Be glad you still have all those electronics to help you out

Winter tyres are a good idea dough.

And aquaplaning can happen from about 70km/h, also at constant speed.

those are the ones i meant

What were those nismo-look-alike ones again they only make in 18? Has been discussed a couple of days ago on the forum ....

black.

I got it from ebay, the link of the ebay store was somewhere here on the forum.

I m sure Sarnie can find it

It looks like it eats alfas for breakfast

I think it looks like a Sagaris

But a Sagaris looks more evil (which is, a good thing )

Jop ... was bound to happen sooner or later