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The ironic thing is is that this new retro design is the type of understated design that appeals to Europeans more - had a look elsewhere on the web and the yanks like their sports cars a bit brash & loud when it comes to parting with their cash. Expect the new Z to become highly modded visually from the get go upon release. 

7 minutes ago, neo said:

unless i missed it but as anyone noticed there is no rear window wiper 

 

on another note, IF the new zed came with say a 2.0 litre twin turbo engine, which should bring it below the emissions level and it came to Europe would you be tempted, cost depending ?

Just a concept like the orange 350z proto that didnt have the wiper  - will get it added in final production form 

2.0 unlikely imo as the car is even bigger then the 370z. Also I belive the 2.0 from the Q60s was sourced from Mercedes?

More interestingly, would you buy it if it had the 370z 3.7 unit in it!? lol

36 minutes ago, davey_83 said:

 

Personally I don't fell the 70z is a better looking car either. For me its much like the difference between visually the EP3 type r and FN2 type r and I feel that's how the 350z and 370z will be remembered in years to come.

I think the 350z has that timeless look to it, a more simplistic design less fussy but lets face it the ones on the used market have all these adds ons and modifications which take away from the elegance of the original design. Plus unless been garaged cars over 10yrs old just have that aged look to the paint. I think the dislike toward the 370z is due to the divisive boomerang lights but the body style is more stocky and muscular , beefy with less elegance. Regarding the lights i do think the more recent years with the tinted fronts/rears solve this issue to an extent.

Back to the sports car segment I should have added that I am not (yet) a fan of hybrid powertrains or engine downsizing plus all the fancy tech like cylinder deactivation, stop/start etc that is becoming more commonplace now. I feel like soon it won't be a choice to opt out 

The warm/hot hatch market is a bit more optimistic to be fair in terms of the spectrum offering understated performance (GTI/R/S3), value (Focus ST/ used RS plus all the superminis) and flamboyance (Type R, N, Megane). Unfortunately I cannot say the same thing for sports cars

2 minutes ago, ilogikal1 said:

Genuine question, but... why?

 

It's not 370Z prices have suddenly dropped, or like the 370Z has suddenly become more desirable. It's still no more of a "step up" than it's ever been, so genuinely intrigued to understand this thought process?

Yes should have clarfied prob more to do with styling then performance. Specifically with the for more recent 370z cars with tinted headlights. Still turns heads. I think the 350z has been showing its age now for while now. I wonder how low some dealers will go to shift the 50th anniversary models

Its a real shame tbh as I'm starting to like the design. Remember it will prob get slightly tweaked between now and the final production version. 

Maybe you guys can chime in but imo I think we are entering the beginning of the end for the entry level sports car in Europe at least with pending tightened regulations and the shift to "greener" power trains. Here are the options left within the sub £45k price range which includes lightly used 2nd hand purchases as well as new cars:

• MX5/GT86/BRZ/Abarth Spider - Unpowered 
• Audi TT - Too common
• Z4/Supra - Ugly
• Alfa 4C - Discontinued, storage/practicality issues, not really meant to have miles put on
• Alpine - A £50k car that looks like it cost £30-35k, unlikely to drop significantly due to numbers 
• Corvette C7 - Leftfield choice, LHD, prices just simply won't come down into the £35-40k mark until the car is a decade+ old old like the C6 gen so around 2025>

Leaves the Mustang, F type and hopefully the Lexus LC when/if it drops although they have recently crept back up having looked on Autotrader recently 

I think now is a good time for 350z owners to get the 370z. For 370z Nismo Mk2 owners like myself it seems like the more likely route is to get a hot hatch or dare say it a bargain supermini/warm hatch. Been comp templating these as they have dropped in value. Again I dont really like to go for something that's too common really

• Infiniti Q30 2.0s AWD - These get sold quickly when on the market around £15k low miles for a car that stickered £35k mark
• Kia Proceed MY 2016/17 - Prev gen Proceed 2 door with the nicer rims. Seem to be a slow seller for dealers. 7 yr warranty 
• Swift Sport - Recently dropped as theres a hybrid version out soon. Still a bit pricey for the performance but is a bit different which I like
• Megane RS Trophy - Only recently dropped to late 20s and were 5 months ago the price as GTI TCRs which themselves have stuck in the 30plus region
• I30n - Eagerly awaiting to see how the new DSG facelift is. £20k mark and will go down to £15k come summer next year

20 hours ago, marzman said:

I dont believe the status of the 370 replacement will have an impact on used Nismo residuals.

 

I think you can safely forecast your cars value based on the price of 2016 or 17 cars now - i.e. its still going to be worth circa £20k via private sale by the time you come to change your car early next year when your term ends (iirc!)

Yes my balloon is £18.5k ish come March so I might buy it and then sell it shortly after

2 minutes ago, GranTurismoEra said:

Its the same door too. is it worth importing at anything above 40k......if the car cost 46k in Japan by the time it gets here its around 49k. Tax and insurance 51k....If God forbid you have to sell that would be a tough sell although I think someone would buy it if there are non about. 

 

 

Also higher insurance. Warranty/Servicing issues etc

Only car from Japan I've considered is the Honda S660 but the fact that it has no luggage space at all kills that idea

Yank motors slightly  more realistic if you're after a certain spec that's hard to come across here but again exchange rate issues etc

To be fair in this video it looks better and q nice. Would def be a head turner in that colour

Given the news that the forthcoming Z car wont make it to UK shores what are your thoughts on the used values for the 370z?

I have a Mk2 Nismo 2018 so has the updated clutch, darkened rear lights, handles and they sit on the used market from £22k for a low miles example. Do you think these will continue to drop into 2021 onwards given that there won't be a replacement. I think the standard 370z has already dropped but Nismo Mk2 will hold their values due to rarity? They haven't really plummeted like the GT models.

I think it will depend on not just scarcity numbers wise but also how sought after 370z become. I think the latter is hard to tell.

Someone needs to photo shop a registration plate on the front in order to see how it would look in real life although it's certainly a bit futile now given the announcement that there will not be a EU release.

Speaking of which I do believe that Nissan WILL stick to their guns on this tbh. Not just because of the tightened regulations, shrinking sales in EU for this segment but if you look at the project on the whole it is obvious that cost cutting was a clear factor it determining the platform, drivetrain, interior/exterior design. Nissan have already pulled Infiniti from EU and selling the new Z would mean a minimum commitment of 3 yrs (marketing, dealer network etc). It's a real shame and tbh I was q sad when I learnt of this albeit when one looks at the business case it comes as no surprise 

Pointless as it seems now given the above, my take on the exterior design is a low 7/10 and as mentioned with a plate on the front it will look better. Slightly played it safe with the overall look but then that was anticipated. Looks more classy then the 370z although less muscular/stocky although it will be a bigger car.  Rearlights are a bit narrow in comparison to the overall size. Unsure about the silver roof strip. Wheels look good.

I think in Nismo form the new car has potential to look really really good and look less bare boned then this. I think that's partly why they unveiled in bright yellow as the base spec looks a bit understated. With the Nismo it won't need a vivid colour to stand out and hence the white with red accents would hit the spot. Interestingly, I think the base 350z looked better then the 370z but when the 370z got the Nismo treatment it looked far better esp Mk2 then its predecessor. 

Interior illustrates how Nissan were cautious as to the budget on this project imo. Could easily be the 370z with the same door handles, air conditioning vents in doors. 

In conclusion I like it but not enough to go out and buy one (if it was released here). Def not worthy of importing. Just doesn't have anything memorable about the exterior design that makes it get burnt into your  memory. I don't know about you guys but it just seems like we have reached a point in ICE car design across most segments where pretty much all the ideas have been done/previously perfected and we are just now seeing minor design elements introduced in order to justify the cost of buying the new generation. 

3 hours ago, Ekona said:

MANUAL ‘BOX!!!! 

Syncro Rev Match still there too

I do like those rims to be fair although they are not too different to those on the 370z

3 hours ago, GranTurismoEra said:

Just a week left till unveil, we more or less know what to expect with the exterior. Just waiting to see what theyve done on the interior.

 

Im guessing stitched look high positioned slim line dash. 6-7 inch touch screen with gauge pods on top possibly a different style. Its possible theyve integrated AC controls into the infotainment system. Hopefully not

 

Im hoping for 4 circular vents. I'm guessing that may not be the case. Ambient lighting I doubt it. Leather seats, Leather gear knob, Leather steering wheel. Matte look leather in some places. Hoping for some contrast on the interior so it doesn't look too dull. Leather knee pads or Alcantara

 

Hopefully you can select the stitch colour on seats and steering wheel and dash. 

 

Why am I thinking interior could be make or break as well as design of the lights and back of the car

One thing I noticed about the stitching is that it hints towards a yellow/green coloured car? Wait and see I guess

I think the inevitable comparison to the 370z will be made but its important to note that the 370z had almost 4 visual iterations of facelift (fanged, defanged, Nismo Mk1, Nismo Mk2 and the final runs with darkened lights & diamond cut rims) - I think that the early 370z will obviously look dated to this new car but what will be interesting imo is to see how it looks compared to a Nismo Mk2

8 hours ago, GranTurismoEra said:

Yes I saw this video. Will be interesting to see if the front and rear lights match. Like it or not the 370z boomerangs make the front and back of the car match. Something about the GTR and new Benzes where the front and rear don't really match well with one another esp the GTR. 

2 hours ago, Ekona said:

But why is the rear so square?? Looks awful, like a bad veilside design. 

I agree think the rear arch has that Bentley/F type look to it and the 370z had a very muscular look to it in contrast with the massive rear wheel arches. This model may not have any signature hall mark features except for the rear lights and Z badge on the C pillar

Infiniti Q60 3.0ts came to the UK market at £41/42k   as far as I recall and then dropped to £37 ish ball park. So £40k would be prob be slightly optimistic yet realistic figure for the new Z should it be of a similar spec to the Q60 - worth noting of course that Nissan would prob save a fair bit by not having the steer by wire, as many driver safety aids and full upscale leather interior on the new Z compared to the Q60 that it will be based off

Its looking a bit inoffensive (if that's a word?) - hopefully not too dull.. Until the Nismo version hopefully there will be some interesting wheels and colours to make the car stand out more

8 hours ago, ShortPaul said:

Probably cost cutting 

Possibly but the Nismo Mk2 spoiler kind of goes with the rest of the Mk2 Nismo bodykit with it being a bit more seamless and understated. Also the Mk2 rear places more of a visual emphasis  on the lower portion of the bumper with the enlarged corner vents. The Mk1 has smaller vents but a more eye catching spoiler so attention is drawn to the top of the rear rather than the bumper beneath

Colour options and interior will be interesting. 

The outer shell body has been rendered well imo

I think the lights might look better and be more appreciated with the car running/lights active rather then parked 

Do you have a photo?

Just a small tip. Keep an eye on the passenger door handle when you have passengers with long nails. I have a minor hair line mark on that side and dont know where it came from lol

Don't want to create a long thread on here dedicated to this dull car but just to let you guys know that I spotted the new Golf today whilst on a walk. If you think it looks conservative in the photos then be warned it looks even more dull in real life. Dark blue colour. The front lights stand out the most but the body shell is virtually the same. Was expecting a bigger car with noticeably different creases, lines. None of that. Expect the same from the R. Maybe the GTI TCR version might have a bit more sex appeal to it

It appears like a better looking GT86/BRZ atm.  I think by September more official images will come to light so let's wait and see!

11 hours ago, Ekona said:

Assuming for one minute those tenders are correct, am I the only think thing it’s very generic and not a pleasing design at all? 

I think I was saying the same thing  - its more clean and subtle somewhat generic. the 370z has those bulging rear fenders and boomerang lights which make it stand out. This might might be a tiny bit bland. However I'm predicting the rear lights will really set it off and look different. Also I think the subtle body style brings out the wheels - so if they come with a decent set of rims it will complete the look. I also think that as it is retro inspired, having a few retro colours wouldn't be a bad thing - green, orange. If they offer 3 shades of grey/silver and 2 white, 2 black then it will be a bit of shame 

Hypothetically if you were to spend £30k ish on something that won't depreciate much in the next 5-7 yrs and dare I say even go up a little what do you think it would be? and also something that won'r require much to keep/maintain.  Yes  rather speculative, daydreamy thread but nice to pick a few brains 

Your thoughts on the following:

Clio V6 - Going for 30k+ now. I think they have peaked for the time being and wont experience a rise unless kept garaged and then sold on in 7 yrs

Audi A1 Quattro - Rare LHD, AWD that could until recently be found  2nd hand low miles for £35k. None atm. Worth keeping an eye on when one crops up?

695 Biposto - If one with the dog ring box comes to market would this worth considering? Several standard manuals on market depreciated from £35k to early £20ks now. My opinion is that all the other Abarth "limited runs" are just attempts by Abarth at milking their cash cow. 695 dog ring might be something sought after in the future perhaps

Yaris GR - Not yet released. When would you say this would be the best time to buy in order to avoid the initial depreciation drop if there is one

Added in my alteration based on the teaser video - with the lights not as far down the nose 

12 hours ago, coldel said:

It's long overdue, to be honest they should have been launching it a couple of years ago. I am just glad to have finally seen something credible, after constant recycling of gossip by car sites just sitting there bored with nothing better to do. If you look back apparently this was a shoo-in for launch at the Tokyo 2018 motor show and designed by an Iranian freelancer, we still don't know for sure its called a 400z 

 

From the Nissan video, the front looks nice and moderately aggressive, the rear however looks a bit off to me. Kind of has haunches like a Bentley GT rather than the more muscular arch look of the 350z which I still think is a great looking car. 

 

I got excited at the Supra launch having been a Toyota owner for a while, and was ultimately disappointed (mainly down to BMW underpinnings - I do get the whole commercial rationale) - I am slightly more excited about the Z but I still have this dread having finally seen something credible now its going to underwhelm. Oh and can someone also have a word with Nissan and mention oil gasket galleries and steering lock designs 

Agree the new car will be less in yer face muscular then the 370z at least and cleaner, with the retro cues. A more mature look. Nismo version will be interesting with the added wing.