trackpig Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 I tried to mount the pipe to the caliper with tie wraps and other methods but found I could not get a strong enough fix. This is why I went for the plate- it holds the pipe right into the hub of the disc without rubbing on it. This allows the air to flow through the internal vanes of the disc and cool the whole disc rather than just one face of it. Nice constructive post, well done. I genuinely am interested in your idea. I look forward to seeing the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 I tried to mount the pipe to the caliper with tie wraps and other methods but found I could not get a strong enough fix. This is why I went for the plate- it holds the pipe right into the hub of the disc without rubbing on it. This allows the air to flow through the internal vanes of the disc and cool the whole disc rather than just one face of it. Nice constructive post, well done. I genuinely am interested in your idea. I look forward to seeing the results. Sorry I missed the part where you said it goes into the middle... but you got non standard discs do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 sorry looking again at that photo it doesnt look like you're aiming that to the middle part of the disc, can see it's oem type disc too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-B Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Good work. I think you could sell a few kits, but not for £45 Where did you get the piping? I've been after something stiffer like that for ages. Looking at this: http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Motorspor ... /1687/3538 What diameter did you go for? £45 is a bargin, think of how much discs & pads cost to replace?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-B Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Hey Trackpig, a set of Braided hoses wouldn`t go a miss, sell a couple of kits and you could buy some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackpig Posted September 24, 2010 Author Share Posted September 24, 2010 sorry looking again at that photo it doesnt look like you're aiming that to the middle part of the disc, can see it's oem type disc too.. If you get under your car, you will see the shape of the splash gaurd- its cut away just under the caliper. Its here you can see the inner of the disc hub. I have set the pipe so the air is directed here. Its not possible to see the spot in the pic as the pipe is covering it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackpig Posted September 24, 2010 Author Share Posted September 24, 2010 Hey Trackpig, a set of Braided hoses wouldn`t go a miss, sell a couple of kits and you could buy some Thanks for the tip! I sure will keep it in mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 cheers trackpig, dont have that splash guard I think so thats why I wondered. Whats the chances of it firstly not raining tomororw and secondly that I'll get time to fit my braided lines front, flush the system with some motul 660 and setup some air ducts... when you said that they didn't hold up without making that braket how long did they actually hold up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackpig Posted September 24, 2010 Author Share Posted September 24, 2010 I fixed the pipes in place with tie wraps first but found they moved when the front wheels were turned via the steering wheel. Turning the wheels was pulling and pushing on the pipes and causing the pipe to pull away from the inside of the disc's hub, rendering them less effective. The brackets/ plates fix this problem. --------------------------- Are you only fitting braided lines to the front brakes? I have only ever fitted braided lines to all corners due to the way the hydraulic circuit is with two diagonal systems. With braided lines only on the front, the rubbrer lines on the rear can still expand and give a poor pedal feel. Sorry if I am telling you what you all ready know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 I fixed the pipes in place with tie wraps first but found they moved when the front wheels were turned via the steering wheel. Turning the wheels was pulling and pushing on the pipes and causing the pipe to pull away from the inside of the disc's hub, rendering them less effective. The brackets/ plates fix this problem. --------------------------- Are you only fitting braided lines to the front brakes? I have only ever fitted braided lines to all corners due to the way the hydraulic circuit is with two diagonal systems. With braided lines only on the front, the rubbrer lines on the rear can still expand and give a poor pedal feel. Sorry if I am telling you what you all ready know. thanks mate I knew that I need to swap all four corners out... did the rears a while back and didnt get a chance to do the front since I needed to cut out the rear shield (took 2 hours per corner I'd say!) Might get a chance to do a writeup on it too Cool re pipes as long as it doesn't fall off into the wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobby Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 After seeing this thread and seeing the american carbon fiber ducts I decided to have a bash myself. I used aluminium pipe and angle bar so it weighs practically nothing. The gap is as small as possible. Abit out of focus but you can still see the gap by the vents I maximised the space as much as I could Just waiting for the ducting to attach. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobby Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Here is the carbon fiber duct. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 7104095766 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackpig Posted June 14, 2011 Author Share Posted June 14, 2011 After seeing this thread and seeing the american carbon fiber ducts I decided to have a bash myself. I used aluminium pipe and angle bar so it weighs practically nothing. The gap is as small as possible. Abit out of focus but you can still see the gap by the vents I maximised the space as much as I could Just waiting for the ducting to attach. Mark Looks like you have a tricky design there! Any more pics with the tubing/pipe fitted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Get that off to a mold place ASAP ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobby Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 LOL I will be back home on Monday to carry on with it. I will be changing the alluminium brace for steel for stiffness. I am trying to get hold of the piping right now. I will keep this updated with my progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobby Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Ok I have finished. My order was messed up and I only got a meter of pipe so I had to make do for the trackday I have coming up. Like I said I changed out the aluminium with steel flat bar. Good call I think because it is much stiffer. I spent a few hours on it but only because my drill bits were blunt. It wasnt that hard to do tbh. Could do with a lick of paint mind As simple as it seems to just mirror one side to the other it is quite difficult and as a result both sides are different from each other. Using steel pipe instead of aluminium may help there and alu doesnt shape too well before cracking. You get one shot. I also did not weld anything. I made it work at the end of the day so I aint complaining Thanks for looking and thanks to trackpig for the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackpig Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Well done- give them a lick of black paint and they will look fine. I have to say though, the single flat bracket of mine is probably easier to make. Get it on track and get them tested! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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