Nissan Future (All discussions Nissan)

[GranTurismoEra]

True a new GTR will be over £100,000. The price point Nissan is using these days it wont be any lower than that especially for a new platform. Well they will keep selling them globally so up to people if they want it or not. 

 

Ill always be a fan of both Z and GTR. As you said there are now track EVs on the horizon and 75k gets you a v10 R8 with similar maintenance or McLaren 540 etc . 

 

Xiaomi owned SC01 coming to Europe, Longbow, Caterham are all working on track focused adjustable EVs. The Xiaomi SC01 Stratos lookalike started as a pipe dream of a young man. Now its set to come with international orders from all over the world. Fully adjustable suspension and set up it weighs only 1360 kg with tubular frame chassis. Very fast and lightweight. 429hp 2.9 seconds. It already looks better than anything Caterham or Longbow can offer and will undercut both in price. The car comes with engine mounts with space for a K20 engine lol

 

MG Cyberster weighs 2000kg but was engineered by a Ferrari engineer so can take a corner within reason. The next generation aims to cut the weight to 1700kg in coupe format. Alpine have a 1400kg car. Longbow have a 1000 kg car. Caterham 1200kg or so. Also faster charging is coming. 

 

I do like the MG and have driven 2. Aftermarket suspension from KW released this month. Wheels are available from Italy and Germany. ill probably end up getting that. £5 charge at home per week £200 tax. Comfortable, quick enough to beat a lambo off the line and lose a license. When im bored of that ill probably get a F Type v8 or settle on a GR86 imported for 17k lol. I guess the GTR hype died long time ago. Never driven one 😂. Most have been ragged by local BMW boys. AMG GT, Vantage V8 2018 all appeal more. GTR is an itch that doesn't need to be scratched for me. Too many other options. 

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:00 by GranTurismoEra

[Keith D]

At 2 tonnes the Cyberster is a joke.  There are 2 brand new in the local MG near me, they've been there for best part of a year and no one is buying.  Before it started selling Chinese crap it was a quality used lot and it was packed every time I drove past, and always had transporters bringing new stock. I barely see anyone in there now.  For Cyberster money you can have a R8, GTR, or Boxster, TVR, TR6 on the drive and keep the change.

Edited Monday at 12:15 by Keith D

[GranTurismoEra]

Well they said the same about Japanese cars in the 80s. How do I know? Datsun owners at the forum sponsored car meets told me. Hilarious that gadgets and electronics owned by majority on this forum are made in China. China lead the way whilst the UK doesnt even register when it comes to manufacturing. But hey ho what do I know. At least the UK has strong financial sector and some export. At least..

 

Ive never cared who or what buys what to compare with who. Its one of the reasons i was one and the first to own a Nismo in my wider area. Then years later people started buying them and now younger guys are running both 350 and 370. 

 

Who actually cares what anyone thinks. Everyone is entitled to get what they want. MG and BYD are set to overtake and leave the likes of Nissan in the dust. Theyve sold 5000 Cybersters globally. This new Zed wouldn't have sold more than the Cyberster in UK lmao. Which is now approaching 500. So i dare Nissan to outsell any other niche sports vehicles. Theyll struggle!

 

2 tonne joke well it weighs the similar to the new AMG GT. No one calls the premium brands a joke. Especially when the 4 series and M2 have all gained weight...The new gen will weigh the same as the new M2. As mentioned other niche ev brands have solved the weight issue and charging issue. So what will be the next complaint.. Speaking of charging with the costs of everything a charger on my drive costs me a fiver per charge lol and i smoke all those aforementioned cars. 

Edited Tuesday at 13:04 by GranTurismoEra

[Keith D]

I get the comparison with Japanese cars in the 80s, but it doesn’t really fit the situation today. Back then the issue was perception, not engineering. The Japanese stuff was already mechanically brilliant — light, simple, over‑engineered and reliable. People mocked them because they were new and cheap, not because they were badly built.

 

With modern Chinese EVs the question isn’t “can they pass a crash test?” — clearly they can. The real unknown is long‑term durability, battery ageing, software support, corrosion protection, and how they hold up after 10–15 years of British weather and potholes. That’s the bit we simply don’t have data for yet. Phones and laptops being made in China doesn’t tell you anything about how a 2‑tonne EV copes with structural fatigue or inverter failures a decade down the line.

 

Sales numbers don’t prove engineering quality either. MG and BYD are selling because they’re cheap, subsidised and loaded with gadgets. Fair play to them — competition is good. But comparing that to something like a Zed, which we know can do 150k+ miles without turning into a laptop on wheels, is apples and oranges. One is a long‑term mechanical machine, the other is a short‑cycle consumer product with a battery pack.

 

On the weight thing — yes, everything has gained weight, but a 2‑tonne AMG GT is heavy because it’s carrying a twin‑turbo V8, a transaxle, a DCT and a full cooling system. A 2‑tonne EV is heavy because the battery alone weighs half a tonne. Not the same engineering challenge, not the same compromises. And sure, some niche EV brands have solved charging or weight for their segment, but that doesn’t magically make every heavy EV a “sports car”.

 

Charging for a fiver is great, but running costs don’t equal build quality. They don’t tell you anything about how the suspension arms, bushings, seals, battery, or electronics will look in 2035.

 

And just to put it in perspective — a 25‑year‑old Skyline GT‑R now commands a six digit price tag, deservedly, and still looks as good today as it did back then. I’ll happily wager no Chinese EV will ever be that car, or hold that kind of legacy.

Edited Tuesday at 16:55 by Keith D

[GranTurismoEra]

Legacy and £220,000 skyline because of Social Media and Fast and Furious movies. Legendary indeed. Anyone can slap a price tag on a car that was 20k in 2012. Over it lol

 

There are Teslas on 300,000 to 1 million miles in US Some were made in China. Many EV Taxis on 200,000+ Miles on same battery in UK. 

 

No one knows about Legacy of Chinese automakers its all still relatively new. Their bullet trains are 40 years newer than Japan. As you said theres not enough data. 

 

 As technology moves on there will be new crowds driving different things. Maybe people are tired of laggy throttles, laboured ICE engines, stealers with lower skills who call real engineers to do their dirty work, overengineered cars that make a racket and put fumes through your cracked window. EVs are simpler and less complex than ICE. 

 

Theres a crowd of enthusiasts who will buy niche EVs weighing 1000-1400kg and drive them on the track. Some build their own or convert current cars. Thats the new reality. BYD solved the charging issue with 5 to 15 minute charges. Its whether the infrastructure will be able to support it or not. 

 

Nissan are dead with no direction. Living off past glories while producing multiple SUVs. Dead company that talk a lot. Majority of people have moved on. How many people on the forum have raised their hand to buy one (RZ34) when it finally comes. I didnt see many. In the early days it was a slanging match and theres wasnt much love for them anyway. Theres are a handful milling around. I would have bought one in 2023. I already bought the 370 nismo from dealer in 17. Now theres so many options why would they sell over 150 to 200 cars discounted. Youve had imports sitting on Autotrader for months. Theres maybe a couple of people spying the Zed thread who would buy one at 50k....when they can import one at 34k or a nismo at 45...

 

Most of Nissan and Toyota stuff will end up in Museums. We will be able to visit looking through glass and shake our heads at what used to be. Sure I was in Daikoku 2 weeks ago and i saw more classic Nissan and Toyota than you would see anywhere including first generation Nissan Skyline GTR and Datsun 240Z. Toyota GR86 is very very popular because theyre cheap (15k) and not heavily taxed off the road. 

 

Ofcourse people love their zeds and will pay £820 the following year and keep paying until they pay what the Irish pay and more. At some point itll have to be garaged or sold when tax exceeds £1000 or becomes costly to run because of increased costs. Getting a 24,000 pound zed to pay 200 quid ok each to their own. T

 

 Sporty cars dont sell like before. So i cant blame manufacturers for not releasing as much as before. Cyberster has no direct competition so well done to MG for doing it when others didnt bother. Porsche battery supplier went bust. So theres is delayed Other companies are still developing theres. Speaking of Porsche. MG owners just released a direct look alike of the Taycan called Z7T at 30k. 

 

After warranty you either extend or find a specialist while paying monthly subscription on battery rental if it needs replacing. You also rust proof as you do your zed no difference. China has better roads and hardly use salt. MG have already tested battery fire safety by drilling into them and CATL battery in Cyberster has 0 Fire history. There are still original Tesla roadsters on the road along with Leafs from early days. 

 

ICE cars will always exist but glad there are options and we are not forced to give all our money to government that only cares about its masters.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by GranTurismoEra