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On 3/17/2018 at 19:23, davey_83 said:

Selfishly asking for my own info, how is it science knows so much about the layers of the earth and we've only be able to scratch the surface in terms of being able to dig to a small depth........

 

Some of it i'd imagine is an educated guess.

Love the wheels on the S15, Anyone know what they are?  

I've had a 3000gt. It is a good car, but it is heavy and laden with electronic gremlins that'll drive you up the bloody wall. It's a good car to modify, i wouldn't go for the earlier version but the MK2.  They respond well to modifying baring in mind that your car really is ticking over like a rolex and everything is working as it should be. 

Would i have another one? No... no i wouldn't, been there done that. i'm too into my GTiR 

10 minutes ago, coldel said:

I guess we are going around in circles a bit here Steady - I asked a question why would a space travelling interstellar species build something exactly the same as humans would build? Your answer was 'why not' based on the fact humans build something the same as humans on different parts of the planet/over last 80 years which is not really related to what I first asked. You are right its not something you should write off, but the jump from a grainy you tube video of a shape on the moon (shapes which regularly occur naturally on earth which is proven fact) to the likelihood that it was built by intelligent non-earth life is not a big one, its immense. Consider it, yes. Take it seriously, not really.

 

Love the flat earth post Chris by the way 

 

Not sure if its on that website mate as I am sure it talks about various YT videos and the like but moving away from the basics of spherical distances and getting to the crux of the issue of flat earth is how gravity works. The reasoning is quite fantastic - apparently there is dark matter, from an unknown source, accelerating the earth at a constant 1g acceleration through space. Genius. Just for fun I looked at what that would mean in terms of how fast we are going now given that say the earth is 4.5billion years old, that you need to travel at 9.8 metres per second to achieve 1g, and that there are around 31.5m seconds in a year...short of the long is that we are now doing 1.4 quintillion metres per second, which is around 4.7 billion times the speed of light. (note this is something I worked out myself using the internet, much like a lot of this thread )

 

 

i'm not basing my argument on grainy images on YouTube. And i'll leave it at that.  

18 hours ago, coldel said:

Naturally occurring pyramids and cubes etc. are not just 'very possible' its fact, they are all over the planet feel free to go have a look so you don't have to rely on YT or Google images doctored by the government covering up everything.

 

Why would they build something like us? That is the question still standing and the answer is not, why not. Lets put the boot on the other foot. If in the future mankind makes its way across the expanse of space in super hi-tech creations that allow us to survive radiation poisoning, the slow killer that is weightlessness, suppressing the aging process and all the other barriers to space travel - with all that technology we land on another world and build a settlement that resembles a semi-detached bungalow in Croydon carved from the rock of the surrounding area - it just isn't reasonable, sensible or realistic. 

 

The problem is that conspiracy theories rely on people disproving their theory whilst grasping at very unlikely other scenarios, rather than making an objective conclusion from their own evidence. Look at this forum, someone comes on here and says that they have built a new product which does X Y Z we don't just take their grainy photos as gospel people question this new idea and look for solid evidence. 

i agree, it's not realistic to build a semi-detached bungalow, but you're decorating it in way that supports your attitude. They would build something that would be very similar if not the same as on earth. Take the Arctic, scientists who study there in some of the most ferocious conditions live in a building that - granted  - is not exactly the same as a house but it is something that resembles what you can find on any street in Britain. So my question that you haven't answered is, why would it be different?. What does it have to be made of? Should it be a Glass dome so it looks like it should be there because that's what buildings on other planets should look like? Because we were sold this idea from movies in the 50s?  No, not necessarily. All i'm saying is, i think it's worth considering. life is full of surprises. 

Consider the moon landing, NASA sent a buggy to the moon, it looks like a buggy you can buy on earth give or take some bit's and bobs. It worked too. Why did we make it that way for the moon? Because it's what we know. the purpose of it worked on the moon as it does on earth. I apply this rule to your scenario above. Therefore if we went interstellar to colonise a planet, i'd imagine our buildings would be more or less the same in appearance as is the moon buggy to a buggy meant for earth use. 

The pyramids of Egypt were built by the same rock that they are surrounded in, but they are artificial. It's not so much the material it's made from but the object itself. I can accept that, to find a pyramid shape that was created naturally is very possible indeed. But to find countless others where you would not expect to find them would be more difficult to explain away as more natural phenomena. Again i'm not saying i am necessarily bias to the latter. 

Who said they were trying to hide? Not something i believe.

The Moka community/tribe which was discovered not so long ago built pyramids too. But they were so old that they didn't nearly resemble pyramids, which came as a big surprise to the archaeologists who realised this. 

"Is rather arrogant really to assume that if a life form can travel across space, why would it build something that just happens to resemble something we would build?"

i don't think it's arrogant, more likely ignorant. But why wouldn't they build something similar to us? And if they do it won't be so we can identify with it, more because it's the most logical way to protect yourself from external factors. Why would it have to be different? Take us, humans as an example. We've developed technology and progressed to great lengths in the last 80 years and yet, houses are more or less the same as they have been for hundreds of years. Why? probably because there isn't a more effective way to do it.  Travelling interstellar, and how you build accommodation, this is comparing apples and oranges. Some things can be developed further, some things have already reached their ceiling. 

1 hour ago, coldel said:

Then its up to the conspiracy theorists to prove it, not to simply say it 'could be' intelligent life. It could be caused by a swarm of flying ants that made it through the vacuum of space and plowed into the rock forming that odd shape but I have no evidence at all except a far fetched theory. I agree its unlikely we are alone in the universe (assuming it exists as it does blah blah) but lets think about if for a second - intelligent life from an unobserved part of space fly light years across the galaxy and build in effect a wonky looking shed out of rocks on the moon and observe the earth. Its certainly a theory, it certainly aligns with Star Treks prime directive, but its only a theory with no actual sensible reasoning to it. Until its actually proven I am going with the more likely (and much more common occurrence) of naturally occurring not through arrogance but through using the grey matter that separates us from amoeba. 

Yes, it is up to them to prove, big claims need big evidence. But they'll never have the access to that kind of evidence which is why 80% of what you can watch on YouTube is codswallop and just patently ridiculous. But it's not knocking up a "shed"  on the moon, it's quite something else. What could be artificial objects on the moon could've been there long before we were, they may be abandoned they may not. i'm not trying to convince you otherwise neither am i suggesting you are arrogant i just meant that in the generic. But i do think it has to be said, there are some very unusual and questionable objects on the moon that do deserve some attention IMO. 

13 minutes ago, coldel said:

Have you actually watched the videos on you tube on this though? "Oh look there is a pyramid looking thing shape in the middle of a desolate lifeless rock in space it must be aliens!" - the fact that naturally occurring pyramid shaped mountains exist all over planet earth (you can go see these if you like!) is ignored, and that the structures just happen to be exactly the same colour as the rock surrounding them. Type in 'naturally occurring places that look like faces on earth' into google see what pops up - of course if they are seen on the moon, again its aliens. 

 

As I mentioned some time back confirmation bias is a prevalent behavioural trait of all conspiracy theorists, they have a theory they want to believe and rather than look at all the evidence they can gather and analyse it objectively, instead looking for single pieces of evidence that supports the theory and disregarding anything contradictory. But still, I get it that people have to have hobbies and passions ours are cars which use tonnes of fuel, expensive to maintain, that makes no sense either!

Agreed, there's a lot of pareidoilia going on, but this is not coming from a bunch of Youtubers with nothing better to do, this is coming from highly decorated military personnel which makes it difficult to discredit. Yes i have waded through a lot of info on this and there is a lot of knee jerk reactions to things like pyramids here and there monoliths and the like. But some of it can't be dismissed away as natural occurring fodder. As much as some people do want to be believe it, there's just as many who don't and will think of just as many theories to play it down. And i don't think it's too far fetched to say that it is "aliens" as ridiculous as that sounds due to the comical undermining of that word and what it defines, i'd be more inclined to say intelligent life. I'd also say it's pretty short sighted and arrogant to think that, we were the first to be on the moon. But it's not just pyramids, the rabbit hole goes way deeper than that. 

11 hours ago, Ekona said:

Post it up here too, would be interesting to see.

+1 to that!

23 hours ago, coldel said:

Its because they had to put black boxes around the earth to block out all the images of the aliens they dont tell us about 

You may jest but this apparently is true. They masked out glass domes on the moon and a lot of artificial structures that had their jaws dropping in fear and awe at the thought that, they weren't the first. China's probe proved this by publishing their own photos that i've already mentioned on social media to undermine NASA.  Also to get them to admit they have been hiding the truth for quite some time and it's about time we knew about it. 

Best all rounder? 

The Citroen CX Loadrunner. Aha!! i hear you say , sagely nodding your head in agreement. This ticks all boxes AND can be hired out for funerals. What more do you want? 

it could be stolen and recovered and sold off by the insurance company that issued its contract with the previous owner?

Are you suggesting that the USA never went to the moon in 1969? 

Some rather unusual heavy breathing going on there

Craig was categorised as a "gutter rapper"  Short rhyming sets in his lyrics which i quite liked as he was good at it. Not his best lyrically but, i like this Easy-mo-bee remix. Favourite line is for me is " i'm the rap state, and what i found is i make your ass shake " and  " My style is incredible, ask nat king cole he'll say Mack's unforgettable! "lol, love it

Aha!! the "flavour in ya ear" remix by the the funk master flex!! best selling single in 1995!! Very cool 

i played this to death!!

Yes, LL didn't shine on this track but he has nothing to prove thanks to singles like " murdegram "

Biggie and Buster, IMO, kick out the best verses here. 

Love hip hop from this era. Some true masters of the time:

Das Efx

Mic geronimo

Craig mack

Mobb Deep

Big Daddy kane

LL cool J

The beatnuts

Pete rock

ill Al Skratch

Peanut butter wolf

and many many more....

For me it's being financially raped in the last 2 months, so far i've had to fork out for:

New turbo (BMW e90)

New starter motor (BMW e90)

New DPF (BMW e90)

Another Re-map (BMW e90)

New thermo (BMW E46)

(all fitted by yours truly which takes some bloody time)

Then there's been the insurance, tax x 2, MOT x 2 and 2 new tyres.

This all came into the ££££s

Plus there's the mortgage of course. 

Yey!  well and truly skint. Not even a toffee crisp in my bank account at the moment. 

1st world problems, i know.  Could've spent that on my GTI-R project. 

O well, next time gadget.....next time. 

Sorry, not much Mclovin there just some extra McMoaning.  (gives toon a bear hug)

starting to miss my 350 now seeing that pic... 

Or maybe it's a giant Lindt ball!! Either way it'll probably turn out to be flat. Like a chocolate coin. 

I wonder if Mars is covered with delicious chocolate and has a soft centre 

Personally, from my experience of using lambda spacers, they did diddly squat! So i wouldn't bother. as you have now experienced , they don't work. Your only solution is a re-map. Roughly £400. 

3 hours ago, coldel said:

It was deliberate 

Yeah yeah 

15 hours ago, Jay84 said:

 

Did you know there is also a Hollow Earth theory? 

There's also the "hollow moon theory"  too.  Since the early seventies NASA has known that there are artificial structures on the moon, which has been leaked by the Chinese on social media by their own space lunar module, Chang 3. There is the theory that it has been mined for a very long time and after tests done by the last apollo missions it seems that the moon " rang like a bell " as in hollow. But that's a whole other thread. 

19 hours ago, coldel said:

I do find it all rather ironic that people who believe those astronauts died, or that the world is round because thousands of sources tell you so, are deemed close minded. But are told this by those who blindly believe some junk found on the internet which is produced by even more closed minded people.

which is then followed up by....ooo look something else found on the internet!  

19 hours ago, coldel said:

 

Have a read https://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/challenger.asp

 

 

 

Sorry i found that quite funny