Screamer

Thought you had a new exhaust fitted since may?

 

Ooops! You're right - that's new! In fact, weren't you thinking of splashing out on an Invida too, or am I making that up..? Highly recommended!

 

@spursmaddave: Oi! Although I do have to agree; Kim fell about laughing when she saw the video of us pulling out of that lay by minus sound! What a weird decision to fit a near-silent exhaust on Nissan's part - I can only imagine it was a result of trying to make the car more 'refined'.

Ah thanks, Will! It'll be great to see you again, too! There's nothing changed on the car since last year right now, but I'm hoping there might be a couple of bits by May!

Hi all - sorry, we've got a wedding on the 19th (what are the chances?!), but I can make the 18th if that's ok! I believe the hotel for the wedding is the one down the road that shares its gym/spa facilities with the Moreton, so I'll hopefully still see you all around and abouts on the Sunday!

 

1. glrnet+1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

2. buster+1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17/th & 18th

3. Keyser +1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th & 18th

4. Wasso +1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

5. Will370z +1 18th 19th. Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

6. Paddy78 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

7. octet + 1 - 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

8. SMD+1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

9. atkin666+1 18th&19tg hotel booked 17th,18th& 19th

10. Ebized +1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

11. madmarky 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

12. Humpy +1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

13. Missniki +1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th &18th

14. Darren-b +1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

15. Ken 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

16. The Bounty Bar Kid 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th & 18th

17. jetset+1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 18th

18. Chris S+1 18th & 19th no accommodation

19. Bockaaarck + 1 18th & 19th - Hotel booked 17th &18th

20. 350Chris + 1 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

21. HaydnH, 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

22. AK350Z+1,18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th, 19th

23. DaveParkin+1,18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th, 19th

24. Theheff +1, 18th & 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

25. Gudzy +1, 18th & 19th Hotel booked 18th

26. Sharpen +1, 18th & 19th hotel booked 17th & 18th

27. Rothers2901 +1 18th hotel booked 17thth &18th

28. Chesterfield +2 18th & 19th hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

29. flexib +1 18th & poss 19th am hotel booked 17th & 18th

30. Andyvvc +1 (Lydia) 18th and 19th Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

31. ioneabee (Andy) 18th & 19th - Hotel Booked 17th & 18th

32. Shire +118th & 19th - Hotel booked 17th, 18th & 19th

33. GT4 Zed 18th and 19th. Hotel booked 17th and 18th.

34. Beavis 18th and 19th (+1 TBC). Hotel booked 18th.

35. Andy James +1 18th & 19th Hotel Booked 17th & 18th

36. Kamamakazii 18th & 19th Hotel Booked 17th & 18th - be nice to the new guy!

37. av8er + 1 18th & 19th Hotel Booked 17th, 18th & 19th

38. Screamer 18th no accommodation

Thanks guys! That's great - never doubted what Jez had been told, but (hopefully!) understandably wanted to confirm what he'd been told was right before I filled the car up with diesel oil!

 

Got to find somewhere to keep it for service 2 now, then!

Hey all! Sorry I've been away so long - lots and lots of work that got a bit out of hand! Anyways, I'm back now

...

to hijack this thread.

 

I'm after a bit of help with the 370Z Service Pack I won at last years' Wales meet - the oil (genuine Nissan, 5W30) is marked as 'DPF' (vehicles with a Diesel Particles Filter) and features the text "Nissan genuine motor oil formulated & exclusively approved for Nissan diesel engines equipped with Diesel Particles Filter (D.P.F.)" on the back..! For obvious reasons, the service guys at Middlehurst Nissan refused to use it during my car's first service. Jez at Horsham Developments passed on this message from Nissan:

 

"You are right the 5w30 is the same oil we use in 370z unfortuaty Nissan put DPF on the tin .

The tec spec for 370z is

Genuine NISSAN engine oil, API grade SL or

SM,

 

This is the same as the "dpf"oil"

 

Does that sound right? Obviously, I'm not questioning what Jez was told, rather whether it's correct! I'd need to be strongly reassured that it's ok to put this oil in the car before it ever got near the Z again! At the same time, I'd rather not throw away my raffle prize! You can see the 'DPF' marking in green in the product photo on Jez's site: http://www.h-dev.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=78_169_293_1418&products_id=25500

 

Any info/help/input much appreciated!

Just be aware that there is a high risk of catching the incurable disease called "zeditis" at these meets which leads you to spend all your money on modding the zed...

 

Tell me about it

 

In terms of the bad dealership experience, I do think it boils down to what a few others here have already touched upon - dealerships are not direct representatives of the car manufacturer. Despite being the most 'official' way of buying a new car in the UK and all the brochures/flags/logos, the dealer-manufacturer relationship is barely different to, say, Nikon's relationship to Currys. As a result, the salesman's business of selling a car is no different to the guy in Currys trying to flog a digital camera.

 

While that's the fact of the matter, I'm not saying it's right, either. Dealerships are very much styled to look like they represent a brand, yet the manufacturers seem to be little bothered about the actions of the dealerships (who, I'd guess, the manufacturers would say don't represent them, only sell their goods). It's almost as if the situation would be better if either of those things were fixed; if I walked into a dealership (perhaps with various brands of car in the showroom?) and came away with the strong impression that they weren't affiliated with Nissan (as Currys aren't with Nikon), then maybe I wouldn't expect as much from them... OR manufacturers should be significantly more focussed on the actions of the dealerships, accepting that they do represent the public image of the manufacturer and should therefore be managed better.

 

When I got my Z4 M Coupe a while back, I read online that you could take the car to a dealership once and have them reprogram the key to do things like automatically lock the car on drive-away, etc. I did just that (Halliwell Jones in Chester), was given my car keys back with a friendly smile and went on my way. Until 2 days later when they rang to tell me I owed them £45! I rang and spoke to the manager there without any luck, so I then rang BMW to complain. The result of that? BMW just rang the manager at the dealer and told him to ring me again. So he did, gave me an arsey rant and that was that. If BMW had really cared all that much, they'd have taken the time to get the full story from me, the full story from the dealer and then (in this case) given the dealer a hard kick up the behind. Instead, the service they provided was simply to pass on my message to the dealer, which was hardly supportive of a customer who'd just been conned by that dealer! A plain-as-day example of the 'nothing to do with us' attitude both manufacturers and dealers have with one another.

 

So here is where I am

 

Audi TTS: sales are great, build quality inside is nicer than the 370, very fast car and nice to drive.

Nissan 370z: sales don't want to know, the outside is just the dogs nuts I can't stop staring at it lol, the drive??? I don't know.

 

I love the look of the 370 and nothing comes close to it, but if the before sales is so bad, what would the after sales be like if you need them???

 

I drove a TTS a while ago when comparing against the Z4 M Coupe (I think, although it might have been the Z4 sDrive35i that I got next!) - lovely interiors, but if you're looking for a really good drivers' car, you'll enjoy the 370Z significantly more - the TTS lost out to the BMW when I had a go and the 370's better again! What gets me with the TT in general isn't so much the front-wheel-drive chassis, etc, etc but that it just doesn't feel as much like a sports car as some others do when you're not flat-out - pottering about in one feels identical to pottering about in a hatchback. In the 370, you always feel like you're piloting something more serious and hardcore, which I guess was the image of the 350Z too, and why you get so many more people craning their necks than I ever did in either of the Z4's The steering's weightier, as are the pedals and the gearstick actually feels connected to the mechanics of the gearbox. The trick that the 370 plays so well is that despite being a less nice place to sit than the Audi, you still get all the good toys and gadgets (folding mirrors, sat nav, reversing camera, iPod control, touch screen, built-in hard drive, etc, etc depending on age and model), so it's only really a case of some missing nicely-stitched leather and better plastics rather than actual toys. In return, you get something that'll run (four) rings around the TTS

 

Obviously, I'd never recommend buying a car without a test drive, but assuming you're after a decent driving experience and get a test drive that might let you just scratch the surface, I bet it'll be a walkover Double-especially if you're ever thinking you might take the thing on a trackday - even the TTRS (apparently) doesn't do that very well.

 

Clearly, I'm biased, but hopefully that's all of some use - like me, you've obviously got a leaning towards the posher sports cars and are perhaps wondering if the 370's a bit too crude in parts. It's not, and I think it's the gadgets that do it - I didn't get along with my old Mazda RX-8 PZ partially because the interior didn't feel like the more expensive car it was and also because it was pretty basic on kit, whereas I love my 370

Hi Sally,

 

The V5C lists my car as "370Z GT EDITION V6" (y'know, rather than the 3 cylinder diesel model ).

 

Anyways, that's irrelevant seeing as you've already correctly identified that the one you're looking at isn't a GT Ed based on colour. The GT Ed is/was available in storm while (pearlescent with glittery flecks), black and black rose (metallic black with red flecks in it).

 

Does the one you're looking at have red brake calipers? If so (and it has a plaque on the silver bar behind the seats and an extra chrome bar underneath the 370Z boot badge), I believe it's a 40th Anniversary Ed.

Had a similar experience with West Many Manc myself around April this year - turned up the first time to drive a 370 (having booked and arranged exactly that), was told I could go out and have a look at the car, get in, etc while waiting for the salesman... Car turned out to be locked, so 15 mins of searching by other salesmen eventually revealed the key, followed by another hour to hour-and-a-half wait before we gave up.

 

Decided to attempt it again and got a test drive that time around (I was, and always have been, willing to go anywhere in the country to buy a car, but didn't really want to go all that far to simply decide whether the 370 was for me or not - I always find that being sure you want a brand and model of car before you start negotiations on a specific one is advantageous in terms of negotiations), but then was offered a stupid amount for the 09 BMW Z4 sDrive35i that I had to trade...

 

So I went to Norwich to get my 370Z GT Edition from Desira instead They were the the UK's 370/GT-R highest selling dealership last year, I was told. Although it was just a case of calling, making an offer on the car, giving the details on my Z4 (always a bit annoying when the dealer tells you it's a 'lovely looking model and spec' when you arrive to trade as it makes you think you could have got more had they seen it at the start of the deal!) and then going to collect it, I had no problems, which is all you can ask really!

 

Just in case it matters, the guy I eventually got my test drive at West Way with was called Jack - seemed a nice enough guy and was willing to let me give it the beans on the motorway

 

We've come at the 370Z from two different directions (me with the Z4, you with the GT-R), but it's a fantastic, brilliantly fun drivers' car with a great community here with plenty of meets and events to get involved with It's definitely something you should consider an added extra that you won't find on the Nissan spec-sheet

Its obviously up to you.. but I would always travel for the right car, especially if it puts a big smile on your face when you drive it

 

+1 Especially for something like a 370! That said, I've always been a fan of a dark grey paint job Then again, the blue, the red (rare) and the white (I'm bound to say that, aren't I!) look the most fantastic to me

 

Anyways, along to the forum!

Oops, forgot to post a link to my (rather bad) quick video of the exhaust, for completeness' sake

 

Nice one mate

 

Thanks Jay!

 

Guess I 'led' you into an exhaust upgrade, eh

 

Look forward to seeeing and hearing th Invidia

 

Hehe, you've got a lot to answer for Colin!

 

To be honest, I'd already been considering an upgrade to a Scorpion in particular pre-Wales, but the sounds at the meet pushed me over the edge It was following you, though, that changed my mind from the stock-esque Scorpion design to the rolled circular style - it looks fantastic on the Z, without being too OTT Funny how, when weighing up the tip options on the Invidia, the single-walled tips sounded like a great idea seeing as the diameter would be larger (the roll of rolled tips always going inwards, of course), but it's actually that thickness when looking at the car directly from behind that makes all the difference

 

Hey mate, good to hear you went for the upgrade. Bet you didnt realise Wales would cost you so much. Great choice though and it really makes the car. Best thing is the exhaust note just gets better and better over time.

 

I would advise keeping your 370 stock exhaust. When you come to sell/trade in the 370 you should swap the stock exhaust and sell on the invidia and not lose too much. it wont get you much payback when trading in the car.

 

Hi Will Thanks! Hehe, I didn't, but I'm glad it did, in that weird sort of way

 

The stock exhaust didn't sell (thought I'd leave it go seeing as I'd gone through the torture of eBay's listing forms!) and it didn't have much chance here after ZMANALEX hijacked my sale thread so I've packaged it up and hidden it away into the attic Like you say, I may well get a descent amount for it come moving-on time

 

Looking forward to another meet now that my car's actually making some noise!

I've got the HFC's - categorically - no drone and adds a lovely hss when you take your foot off the loud pedal (some don't like it, but I do.

They're a biatch to fit though

 

Thanks for the clarification They do sound tempting, although I'm starting to think I've got the noise levels exactly where I want them on mine... any more would be into the 'definitely can't be mistaken for stock' area. Still, good to know the option exists if I do ever want more shouting

 

light correction. Unlike the 350, the ecu on 370 does allow and keep performance increases, as it was found on mine - the Stillen Exhaust had added some extra 18bhp over stock (as claimed) for me a year or so earlier. BUT, those carrying out the uprevs have found the 370's are set to run overly rich from the factory whilst the mapping can be adjusted to suit personal preferences. What I found, and I believe it is much the same for others, is that although power increases can be maximised with the uprev to suit -the process of leaning off the mixture means the mpg is not adversely affected and can even be improved....as I have found on the motorway trips

 

Ahh, interesting! So on the 370Z, you can still benefit performance-wise from mods without an UpRev, but then the UpRev can be used to either squeeze absolute performance out of them, or cash in on MPG gains for the same level of performance? While we're on that topic, did I read that various UpRev maps are made available via the cruise control/speed limiter steering wheel switch? If that's the case, do you lose access to cruise/limiter functionality?

 

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As for exhausts, I finally got out and made a (very quick and, upon getting back to have a proper look, very bad!) video of my Invidia Gemini:

. If I get a chance soon, I'll get out again with a tripod and a better stretch of road, but at least that's something to go on for now Can't recommend it highly enough

My 370 GT Edition is currently stock.. however I'm starting to put a plan together of what I might do to it over the next year. I would any opinions or advice as this is my first car I've done much too apart from a remap.

 

Here's the current planned mods

 

Bonnet:

I think I saw some hydraulic bonnet supports that could replace the basic one i have right now - or was that just the 350, as I cant seem to find it again?

Here's somewhere selling what I presume you're referring to: http://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/PROD/370z08/30-8315 (carbon). Must admit, I've always liked the idea of them too... The stock ones on my previous Z4 sDrive35i were great

 

Intake:

Looks like Stillen Gen3 or K&N Typoon. For the Stillen the bumper has to come off - how difficult is this really? For the K&N the washer bottle needs relocating, and therefore also seems to need the bumper off as well.

I've also looked at the JWT Pop Charger - anyone have them in stock, or experience on the 370?

Wouldn't know much about this stuff, although I'd expect the bumper's going to need removing for any of the bigger/fuller systems.

 

Spacers:

23mm seems to be the consensus so far. I cant quite grasp how easy they are to fit though..

Colin (Ebized) and I are running 25mm all round - dead easy to install! Simply a case of removing the wheel, putting a spacer over the car's existing studs and torquing up using bolts supplied with the spacer (as you would when refitting a wheel), then refitting the wheel onto new studs built into the spacer, just like you would had the spacer not been there. I got a really good deal on mine from Rare Rims (a trader on here) with a 10% forum discount. They're Bimecc items and available in black or silver (I went with black to match my GT Edition wheels )

 

Exhaust:

Definitely need one, something that sounds pretty good, give a bit of a boost, but doesnt get annoying on long motorway journeys.

Invidia and the Stillen sounds good to me right now.

I've got the Invidia - absolutely delighted with it! Sounds like you've got similar requirements to me - wanting more sound, but strictly not wanting to ruin the everyday-ness. If you do a search on the US forums, you'll find plenty of people singing their praises for being a decent amount louder and deeper without being intrusive. I had mine fitted at my local garage for £50, but I was told (and have read many times online) that the install was a doddle. It's a fantastically well-made system (having inspected all the parts when it arrived ) and the sound is fantastic - a lovely deep burble at low revs and start up that turns into a scream at higher rpm, yet it could be mistaken for a very-nice-sounding OEM system, rather than boy-racery. I'm not a fan of systems that just drone or bellow throughout the rev range as they sound a bit toneless to me, so this is fantastic as the note distinctly changes from muscle car to highly-strung race car I'm still evaluating mine (I've had it a month or so now), but the great thing is that it allows you to upgrade without fearing it'll be too much, yet if you do want more sound later on, there's always HFC's (Stillen, Berk and Invidia seem to be the popular and readily-available choices). It's a shame you're such a distance away, as you'd have been more than welcome to come and have had a listen to my car On the upside, I may try to get out at lunch to finally get some photos and sound

 

HFCs:

Not sure if I should invest in these? What do they add?

High Flow Cats: Apparently, it's a more 'race car' sound, but they sit right underneath the cabin, so you have to be sure you'll be able to put up with the extra volume and, I get the impression, extra drone.

 

Uprev:

Once the above is done, then apply this... Abbey seems the place to be for this..

As has been said, most people seem to recommend doing this post-upgrades. I'm told that the upgrades alone won't yield particularly fantastic performance increases, it's the uprev afterwards that really squeezes the best out of them, if you're after a performance jump to go with the extra noise.

 

 

Anything else I should consider? I have thought about lowering it, but I have enough problems where I live at the moment, so will leave that.

I'm probably going to skip a full intake system and instead get myself a couple of Cosworth drop-in filters. I've read that they make a worthwhile difference for the £70-ish. Horsham Developments (another trader here) sell them.

 

So some questions:

 

What can be done at home, by me, with limited mechanical experience? I'm happy buying tools, learning, etc .. but equally dont want to bite off more than I can chew and screw up my motor. The bonnet looks easy, as does a JTW Pop Charger, I start to worry about bumper removal, and then even more about the exhaust. Worth learning and taking it slowly or just pay for fitting?

 

Additionally - does it make any difference if these mods are done one by one over a year or two, or would it be better in one big go so that the remap looks after the engine after the mods? One by one slowly is preferable to me cos I'd like to do as much as possible..

 

Finally any recommendations for places Bristol way that are good for this lot? Both to talk to, and get some of the work done..

 

Thanks

joe

 

PS let me add myself, before anyone else does.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150849378388?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_500wt_1413

 

Nah, just the exhaust system for now. Tbh, I think I'm more than happy with the sound levels as they are (although ask me again in a couple of months ) - I really don't want to end up with it sounding 'boy racer' or too intrusive at a cruise.

 

How would HFC's alter the sound? Would they just turn the volume of the existing note/tone up, or do they alter it in some way?

Well, I went and did it! Invidia Gemini with the rolled stainless steel tips from Tarmac

 

Photos of the pieces here. I'll get some videos and post-install photos up as soon as I can... The car needs a good old wash first after the salty rain this week!

 

Superbly built piece of kit, I'm over the moon with it! The sound is absolutely - lovely low burble at tickover/low revs (with a lot more volume than stock), rising to a howl when you put your foot down As hoped, it cruises along pretty much silently, too (as many people on the US forums were saying) - I can't recommend it highly enough if you're looking for something that'll greatly boost the sound, but won't impede/give you a headache when you're just pottering about

 

Big thanks to Tarmac for the next-day delivery and general great service, and another one to Steve (Redline Styling) for a load of help in the first place - unfortunately, the spec I wanted wasn't quite doable this time

 

My old original OEM system will be going live here at 8:30pm tonight if anyone's interested in a 4k-4.5k miles nearly-new replacement: Nissan 370Z original OEM exhaust (full system w/cat back) nearly new, 4.5k miles

Very

 

Another suggestion I'd make would be to take those red calipers off and, um, hand them to me

 

Think I prefer shot 6 - the guy obviously went for the largest aperture setting he could get away with in the bright light on 5, but due to the angle of the car, the aperture's so wide, even the rear is falling out of focus. That, and the sky's blown out. I'd still crop 6 to the same frame as 5, though. Oh, and photoshop the reflection of the off-camera flash out of the front bumper

 

Either way, awesome shots of a stunning car - definitely desktop material!

 

Wonder how much a stealer would charge to order in the 4 red calipers..?

Hi Mark!

 

Yep, same whine noise here in my 370 (only 4,000 miles) when in neural and with the clutch out! Only noticed it about a week ago, but seems to be a characteristic of the car as others have said. Might just be me, but it seems to have quietened since I first heard it (I've been taking opportunities to leave the car in neural and with the clutch out while at lights etc, thinking I might speed up the process of the noise disappearing).

 

I don't get a crunching (like you'd get when trying to engage a gear without the clutch, say) when going between 1st and 2nd, but it is an awkward and notchy shift, probably made worse by the fact that our cars have very torquey engines, so tiny alterations in the position of the accelerator pedal along with the clutch pedal at the wrong moment can cause a fairly difficult shift if you're trying to be smooth!

 

You haven't mentioned it (although it might be what you're hearing on your 1st-to-2nd shift), but another common issue is a nasty clunking sound when you're in a gear and you press the clutch pedal. It's just the clutch plates releasing, but doing it at the wrong time/speed can cause that noise (often, I think, if you stamp on the pedal too quickly). It'd be more noticeable between 1st and 2nd simply due to the speed, although I presume it happens between any gears.

 

The clutch sticking to the floor and excess vibration issues sound more serious, though - let us know how you get on with a dealer as I'm sure it'd be useful to everyone if you manage to get it all sorted - if they do something to fix the neutral whine issue, I'd get my car in for the same fix, too!

Goodyear's Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 (and the version 1 before it) always aced the big mag's tyre tests, usually followed by whatever the latest Michelin Pilot Sport was. Having used both the Goodyear's Eagle F1 Asymmetric (version 1 on my old Z4 M Coupe) and the version 2 (on my old Z4 sDrive35i), I can confirm that they're absolutely brilliant. Either would wipe the floor with the Bridgestones on the 370. I'm sure the Michelin's would too (they were a very popular choice on the Z4 M), although I know that they often have a reputation for more road noise than other options (possibly as a side effect of being relatively slow wearing), so I'd do a little research on that, seeing as the 370 can be a bit marginal in that sense already.

 

All of the above is assuming that the Goodyears and/or the Michelin's are even available for the 370!

 

Like R35LEE, though, I'll be tempted to swap for another pair of the Bridgestones when mine come to be replaced - the 370Z is so well sorted and pretty much won't let go in the dry on them, while the wet grip is pretty poor, so you can still have a challenge and a wrestle if you want it Having the massive dry grip in the wet as well might be a tad boring, I wonder...

Looks good Colin! Care to add a link to the ones you've got there....I am smarting from the cost of getting my wheels repainted this month but might get some in a month or so...

 

Just in case it helps, I'm running the same 4x25mm's as Colin, but got mine (Bimecc's) from Rare Rims. They do them in black and silver

 

£161.90 for all 4 with forum discount Really pleased with the quality + great service/next day delivery included

Interesting, think I actually prefer 25mm as the arches follow the curve of the tyres more accurately, rather than looking like they're squashing them

That works, thanks Buddy

 

No probs, got there in the end

 

Yours is one heck of a good looking car too - the first 350 that caught my eye when looking through the old Wales meet photos before this time The silver on the grey really make it, along with wheels that really suit it

Ahhh cool cheers Mike for the nice comments. Last year the car was dropped 30mm but found that I was scraping on speed bumps and multi storey car parks were a no go. So I've lifted 5mm.

 

Right see what you're getting at - tbf the range still seems optimistic and ironic of being selected amongst as you say 350's and 370's

 

I like Colin's car too, very tastefully done, but the best part is the driver - top bloke

 

Ruddy hell! I would have thought 30mm would technically make it 'submerged'!

 

Facebook still have work to do on the ads... An album full of these cars should be accompanied by ads for oil barrels, UAE government bonds and smog masks I reckon

 

Well said re Colin - really looked after us and I'm sure everyone else for the whole weekend despite a lot of organising The other best part is the driver's driving; very quick!

Taa-dah! Photos uploaded to Photobucket:

http://s1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh5 ... 0Z%20meet/

 

Who me or Colin??

 

Haha just read that advert, 360miles does sound optimistic, but technology is moving along

 

Sorry - Colin replied before I submitted my reply - I meant yours Although I absolutely love Colin's... I kinda have to, seeing as I appear to be altering my car to match

 

Love the coloured wheel nuts, nice touch

 

As for the ad, I meant it was rather more optimistic to be advertising what's essentially an eco car in an album full of 3.5l and 3.7l sports cars