The G Man

Someone at work summed this up today actually, he said that although my last 370 was a great looking car, the Nismo stands out significantly. Jay is right, for 17-18k, you could pick up a near mint 370, but then again, it's not a Nismo.

Test drive both, there is a noticeable difference, looks aside. It's a lot of dosh, but then your dead a long time. Free servicing on them for three years as well. A GTR costs @ 2k for a P3.

A big step up from a 350, looks, interior, bit more oomph, quality and gadgets, miss the heated seats though

I'm lucky, I didn't need finance, my last 370 had 2 years interest free with final payment, which worked well, check Nissans deals, or look at a pre reg/demo model for a better price, or wait a couple of years, or if I get fed up, sooner and buy mine

I've driven loads of left hookers in the UK Jay, mainly military vehicles, some really big stuff and more normal landrover size stuff. While it's relatively easy and takes about an afternoon to master the gears and handbrake, I would take into consideration whether you are going to transport any future sprogs, take into consideration how awkward it is to get out a junction when turning left, especially one that takes a swerve to the left at roundabouts.

Two nobodies, even Bin Laden was shot dead. They will rot in jail, but not quite as fast as in an unmarked grave/cremation/dumped at sea.

Ooh, I like that Vik, you would look very, very at home in that, get round yours and Gary's relatives and borrow some dosh

SuperStu has a point, but, the cop that shot this lad should have been the one that shot Lee Rigby's murderer, obviously got a better aim.

I think it was too soon to tour Australia after the last Ashes, I understand the reason why, but surely a compromise could have been developed. England was maybe a bit jaded and stale, a clear out and rebuild is now on the cards methinks.

Only those voting yes will have the cooncil tax abolished, the dissenters will pay double, English treble and everyone else will be building the wall

Perhaps a strange question but if this gets say a 50.5% yes vote does that mean it will happen or does there have to be an overall majority and if the vote is yes, how long will it take for Scotland to be independent. will be instant?

 

..."instantly" - I suddenly had visions of the people in the north of England waking up the day after the vote to see a huge wall being slung up on the horizon

 

We live in hope again

Yes we all do

For me it's about people voting Yes for all the wrong reasons. It just seems that there are lots of questions put to the people who will be taking Scotland into independence that they simply wont address. You can talk your way around it in a lead up to a vote, but come match time, you cant simply skip around it, do you trust the people in charge to come up with the practical responses?

 

The Common Weal, I appreciate its a vision and it sounds 'nice' but you asked people to read it and I had a quick look but found it to be two things, impractical and contrary to human nature (unfortunately humans are greedy) in addition to it again being written as a very biased propaganda piece. For instance the first principle is listed as:

 

A Common Weal Approach

Assume that mutual and shared working towards mutual and shared goals will produce the best society and the best economy

The London Orthodoxy Approach

Assume that competition and conflict will allow the strongest to rise and that they alone should shape society and the economy

 

Which could easily be written as:

 

A Common Weal Approach

Mutual and shared goals limit innovation and aspiration, no one should sees any chance of becoming anything greater than what is dictated to them by the ruling party who deem all you succeed in is given to those who do not

The London Orthodoxy Approach

Competition inspires people to greater things, to innovate to succeed, to drive their competitors to work harder to counter their success and drive international investment through the providence of a healthy competitive environment

 

I appreciate there are hardly any objective texts on political approaches, but this is pretty far from being a plausible one, well from my laymans view it is, be good to see an economists view on it.

Ooh that's deep mate, but not something I would base a constitution on.

After watching the debacle with Donald Trumps golf course, I think Scotland would last about 6 seconds with Alex Salmond in charge!

 

Personal views, i think its wrong the way it is now that Scotland get to decide how they do certain things with they way its run contrary to central government so stand on your own two feet and see how you get on and that is no way directed individually at any Scot, just the Scottish Government.

 

Knowing how independent some Scots are i would imagine it will be a close run thing as they wont be able to resist voting yes to "show" England they can succeed

 

On balance and to add, i would trust him as much as any UK politician to be fair, Blair and his wmd etc was just a joke.

 

Politicians these days seem only interested in being in "power" and beating the opposition, i dont think any of them actually have any idea how to improve our economy or make the country better, sheer egotism at its finest.

Yes mate, Trump only threatened golf balls, not WMD

Perhaps a strange question but if this gets say a 50.5% yes vote does that mean it will happen or does there have to be an overall majority and if the vote is yes, how long will it take for Scotland to be independent. will be instant?

Yes it will happen but not instantly, 4 years or so of negotiations with Westminster, no stitch ups like when devolution was first put forward for Scotland with a hackneyed 65% must vote in favour option that a Labour government once set (Callaghan)

docwra

Thanks, but the last time I looked, we had our own legal system, we are more independent financially, as far as the Barnet formula can go and I do know that Scotland is a shoe in for membership of the EU, just as it's a racing certainty that the World Cup won't be coming back to Britain

Sorry Vik, but that is the whole sentence as typed, and if "Independent Scotland is the only way for Scotland to remain in the EU" then it assumes membership will be granted, which for me is one of the biggest unanswered questions here.

 

Im sure G Man is the font of all knowledge and can produce light just by dropping his trousers but as per my post on the last page, a lot of the reasons for independence hang on assumptions that in some cases havent even been addressed by Salmond, which is more than a little worrying, no?

 

No you are taking it out of context, it is the only way of ensuring that Scotland remains a member of the EU, by whatever negotiation is needed. The UK government, or rather the political party that is in charge at the moment, is committed to a referendum to leave, this is something that Scotland does not want, so the only way of ENSURING we stay in is independence. I thought that was an obvious point, happy to clarify

 

So how do you know Scotland will be extended the offer of membership when Iceland and Turkey havent? This is the question Im asking that seems to have been avoided for the last two pages, this is what I want to know.

 

I know, 100%, cast iron, first article, etc, that if the UK rejects the referendum to leave the EU we will remain members. How do you know that an independent Scotland will become an EU member to the point that "its the only way of ENSURING" you stay in?

In short, Turkey and Iceland are not part of member states at the moment Scotland is, and, for various financial and political reasons, Turkey will find it harder and harder. Iceland not so.

On your second point, it's obvious.

To Jetpilot

After watching several dozen debacles, from new IT systems at the MOD, education changes every other week, Clegg to the bus lane on a motorway debacle, Donald Trump is the least of anyone's worries

In all honesty, Scottish independence could be the best thing to ever happen to Scotland. It's the not knowing what disadvantage there will be that make me and others vote no.

 

Salmon Fish makes out that it is all going to be perfect, but it won't be. I'd be curious to see what downfalls there would be. i.e. Water, university. He says tax won't rise, but how long will that be confirmed?

 

Edit: If it means we stay out the EU, that could be a good thing. I for one am voting YES to leaving the EU. Absolutely pointless us being there. We have no say in deportation or immigration policies (I know we don't have as much % compared to other countries, but we are more of a target than others)

It's about self determination, not Alex Salmond or the SNP, why is that so difficult to understand. How many jobs would go in the UK if it were to leave the EU?, 100'S of thousands, from all parts

I'm continually astounded by the lack of understanding on the self determination front, but do understand that it is anyone's right to vote no.

On anouther point earlier on, someone made the assertion as to what would Scotland do with no DVLA etc and other big UK institutions that are not based in Scotland, well what will the rest of the UK do if we just keep all the nuclear subs? That's a non starter of an idea, hopefully you get that.

Also, The Common Weil is only a basis to form some sort of constitution, not the be all and end all, show me where the UK's constitution is or can be accessed, no you can't because there isn't one, Westminster deems it unnecessary, and so can railroad things through parliament that leaves you, me and the man next door with no recourse.

What is the alternative to self determination for Scotland? Osborne gave his ideas yesterday, I'm sorry but the "No" campaign have put no vision of an alternative to the "Yes" campaign other than the status quo, seriously, is that the best thing for Scotland

Sorry Vik, but that is the whole sentence as typed, and if "Independent Scotland is the only way for Scotland to remain in the EU" then it assumes membership will be granted, which for me is one of the biggest unanswered questions here.

 

Im sure G Man is the font of all knowledge and can produce light just by dropping his trousers but as per my post on the last page, a lot of the reasons for independence hang on assumptions that in some cases havent even been addressed by Salmond, which is more than a little worrying, no?

No you are taking it out of context, it is the only way of ensuring that Scotland remains a member of the EU, by whatever negotiation is needed. The UK government, or rather the political party that is in charge at the moment, is committed to a referendum to leave, this is something that Scotland does not want, so the only way of ENSURING we stay in is independence. I thought that was an obvious point, happy to clarify

Wow, that's great, if I come along, I'm gonna play this

Only kidding, Midge is still smarting from this.

Youre making a massive assumption that the EU will extend membership to an independent Scotland though ............. and thats my main issue with this.

 

Yes, Spain isn't to keen on the idea, they think it'll spark independence calls and maybe more violence from several separatist movements within Spain. Whatever, Scotland will enter The E.U on the current member states terms, not on their own, same for any new E.U country really.

 

Pete

That's at least a start, at least we'll have a representative to negotiate fishing rights, undeniable energy wealth and a few other things that is a beginning of a negotiation, at present, we have no representation other than Rupert and Rodders from Hertfordshire

Cameron has committed to no such referendum. It might well be in the Tory manifesto, but don't kid yourself that they wouldn't drop it if it suited them politically.

 

If Scotland leave the UK, then they become independent. The UK will still exist. The UK is a member of the EU: England, Wales and NI are not. The UK will remain part of the EU. Scotland may or may not have to apply for membership. The Act of Union 1800 is not affected by the withdrawal of Scotland from the 1707 one, just like when the ROI act was repealed in 1962.

You're wrong on both counts, The UK only exists if Scotland stay in the UNITED KINGDOMS of Scotland and England, both acts of Union are an adjoinment of parliaments not Kingdoms, or States. Great Britain will remain, as this is a geographic reference, hence Great Britain (the main bit that includes Wales) and Northern Ireland. Cameron, will succumb to the pressure his party and the rest of the right of centre vote who will demand.it. He may not be around in 2017, but he did commit to it, all he needs is a majority in Westminster, which he'll get if and when Scotland leave The Union.

You're 100% correct in saying he may change his mind, because mainly, he has no morals but predominately because he's a politician. His party won't when faced with the threat of UKIP, Labour and the great disenfranchised vote that is the Lib Dem party ( c'mon the students).

In the shires, he's toast if he doesn't carry it through, not that he'll mind, he'll still go on enjoying rank and privilege through the system that is rotten and one I want to distance my country from.

I don't know, we are such pests, subsidy junkies and general alcoholic tramps that infest the streets of London, why would any Unionist want to keep Scotland part of a "United Kingdom"? Beats me

Very unappealing to the eye, never seen one before though

I wonder if we saw off Scotland, you will float further off into the North Sea and have even worse weather!?

Impossible, we have a monopoly on that, we get it 13 months out of 12

I'm not Scottish - I'm English.

 

i) If Scotland leaves, this means all the Scottish MPs leave, too - and as they're either SNP or Labour, this means the Tories will stay in power in Westminster pretty well for ever.

ii) I'd be quite happy for Scotland to leave, provided they don't expect the rest of England to pay anything. I mean - ANYTHING. They're welcome to keep any and all revenues from the North Sea, and all taxes raised in Scotland (obviously) but any monies raised south of the border STAY south of the border

iii) In the same way - I'm happy for the Scots to have free education, free prescriptions - hey, they can have whatever they like - just not on my taxes, thank you very much. I have every anticipation that English Tax rates will drop about 5% when we're not subsidising Scotland any more

 

In summary - beware of what you wish for - you may well get it - but then you've got to pay for it all. Welcome to the big world.

Sheer fantasy and not very constructive, IMO, shows scant understanding of UK politics and none on Scottish politics, with no economic intellect whatsoever.

I'm sorry to see as well that you are the only taxpayer in the UK, keep up the good work

Exactly. Guesswork and probablies are not a good reason to vote for such a massive change.

See above

Also as a committed European, being in an Independent Scotland is the only way for Scotland to remain in the EU. We're not having a referendum, or a promised one on that here, only Westminster Conservatism and UKIP are striving for that. That alone takes us to a whole new level of debate.

 

Youre making a massive assumption that the EU will extend membership to an independent Scotland though ............. and thats my main issue with this. Everything Ive seen from Salmond has been assumption (oil and gas income, armed forces, retaining Sterling) rather than set in stone definites, and as such I think a fair proportion of those with the choice are being mislead somewhat.

No I'm stating a fact, conservative England will hold a referendum into leaving the EU in 2017, Cameron is committed to this, this will be supported by UKIP, BNP and disgruntled labour voters (the Liberal party will not exist by then). You do not understand the Act of Union, it was only a union of Parliaments that, if dissolved, leave both England and Scotland as autonomous Countries, not regions as is the supposition of UK Unionist parties that base Scotland, seeking to be part of the EU.

There is more to this than meets the eye, this is where when discussing Catalans bid for independence the EU says if it happens then, as a REGION, automatic entry is not on the cards, Scotland is in a different position, that's fact.

Just to be absolutely clear on this, I don't care what the nationality of anyone running an Independent Scotland is, English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, just not American ( ), for me and those with a deeper understanding, the debate is not about being independent from the English, more independent from Westminster and all that goes with a crumbling political system that contains very little democracy.

Definately the last word, or words,....Death to the French

Have a read at the link That's definitely my last word, no wait......sharabong (sung in a pub singer style voice)