JoKeR Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I changed my power steering tank yesterday and now I'm having a few problems. It's foaming and whining when I turn even a little bit. Power steering works fine but I'm just worried about it. What's the worst that can come of this if left untreated? http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/06/32b0246d4f41032cdadbbdb670a8b51e.jpg[/img Thanks guys. Also if I leave it how it is can I go for a 40-50 drive tomorrow safely?? That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 If the pump is being driven harder than usual, premature wear/failure might be a longer term issue. I switched in a shiny one and it made a nasty whine. I tried varying fluid levels, tried leaving the lid a few screws short of tight to let air move in and out. In the end I gave up and went back to stock with a lick of paint on it. Is it baffled? I can't remember if the OEM one has a bit in the bottom to stop it cavitating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share Posted June 6, 2015 It's not baffle mate no. Just an empty can. The fluid is about 3/4 full or just over but doesn't seem to be over flowing when it foams. That was the level when it was cold too. This is really confusing me. That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I remember reading on here recently that someone said to bleed the system with new fluid - leave the top off and rotate steering wheel from left to right to left and fluid will foam, meaning air is coming out... So, may be you still have air in the system? Take the cap off, turn engine off and rotate steering wheel few times from side to side until foaming stops...might help, might not, but worth a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share Posted June 6, 2015 Thanks mate I'll give that a go now. I'll let you know if it's sorted it That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Perhaps just loosen the cap a lot? I did cap off and there was some mess to clean up in the bay afterwards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share Posted June 6, 2015 So far so good no whining or foaming after the bleed Vlad, but haven't driven a longer distance yet. I think I may have a small leak through the new pipe I put in as it was 2mm too big for the pipe I was putting it onto but very tight fit for the other end so didn't have a choice really. Done it up with 2 jubilee clips but I think it may be seeping through a bit. That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Put a bit of black tape around the thing, to make it wider and then put hose on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share Posted June 6, 2015 Put a bit of black tape around the thing, to make it wider and then put hose on I might just put some RTV sealant around the bottom of it if I see that it is leaking. Still not confirmed if it is leaking yet though. That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Put a bit of black tape around the thing, to make it wider and then put hose on Still the same noise and foam after a longer drive wasn't any obvious leaks after about 12 hours sitting too. I dunno what to do with it lol any ideas mate? That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 I'm gonna go mental and bleed it again lol gonna do it loads of times when I can get the car raised at the front. Should hopefully sort it. That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newkid Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Maybe air is getting in through your poor fitment of the new pipe. It may not show signs of leaking whilst stood but maybe in use the extra pressure is forcing it to leak a bit. If fluid can leak out, then air can leak in. I would put tape around the ens your attaching hose to then seal it with jubilee clips and some sealant. Bleed the system until your 100% sure it is air free and go for a drive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Cheers mate soon as I get the time I'm gonna do that as that's all I can think it is too after reading up online. Went for another drive and there was no foam but the noise was louder and more persistent! Has to be air though. Can this happen if the tank is over filled. It's not overflowing but it's very near to the top. Or would that not make any difference? Thanks for all your help guys ðŸ‘🻠That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 I sorted out the poor fitting pipe. I bought a reducer and fit a 13mm hose one side and 9mm on the other. The problem is still the same though. Drained and put in new fluid (ATF). Still foams and makes the noise and again all after about 15 minutes. I've seen the tiniest kink in the pipes upon inspection. So small you properly can't even see it (it looks a little flat by the bend on the inside). I have this on both pipes, can this be my problem. Would this make the noise and the bubbles in the tank? If so, why would it only start after a little drive of about 10-15 mins? I hope someone has some answers for me I'm doing another track day next month! Thanks That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Check for: - the right fluid used - kink in the pipes - leaks Bleed the system, engine running, turn the steering wheel maximum left, keep for 2-3 seconds max, turn to right, keep locked for 2-3 seconds and repeat for 10 times at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 It looks like there might be a little kink. I have no leaks at all an it is the right fluid. I've bled the system way too much over about 150 times turns all together roughly lol. Can a kink cause these problems? It is very very slight I'm not even sure if it is a kink. Thanks mate That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Try and eliminate any kinks, also check that the new hoses are clear inside, might have a blockage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 I'll try sort the kinks out. I'm loosing so much fluid doing all these checks haha have to keep draining it all the time lol I know one of the pipes isn't blocked I'll check the other when I sort the kink. That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Get some blue hoses for the PS tank, too I think your car doesn't like the colour on the new hoses, hence is boiling, foaming 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 Haha That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 Ok so it's all sorted now. To all the people that said check your fluid first etc etc, I apologise. That was the problem but let me explain. I took your advice and checked my fluid, even drained and topped it up. However, because there is no min/max lines I just guessed where it should be. I thought it worked like the coolant tank as in when it gets hot the fluid rises. This isn't the case with the power steering but I didn't know that until now! When you turn the engine on, the fluid gets drawn into the pipes, thus making the fluid level inside the tank drop (just below the inlet and outlet pipes). This is where the air was getting in but obviously I just checked the level when not running and saw that it was about 1" from the top and thought if I put any more in, it would overflow! When I checked it when running it, the fluid was sloshing about and I thought that was normal. After speaking to the father in-law and him educating me about the fluid being drawn into the pipes, I put in about half a shots worth of ATF in a tested it. Well what do you know, noise free and it feels fine now. Thanks for all your help everyone at last it's finally sorted. I hope this can help anyone else that is as clueless as I was. And I mean I put in a really small amount of fluid. That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 good news man! So, did you feel that bottle up right to the top then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 It's about 1/2" from the top mate but running fine now. Might add a little more if it starts to feel still or weird at all. I can post a pic of how full it is when off if anyone needs or wants me to. That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Oh wicked, good to know as will be doing mine when I get my car back from bodyshop. Feel free to post a pic as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKeR Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 This is how close it is to the top when cold. Could probably do with a little bit more its to be on the safe side but no problems as of yet. Apart from the strong smell of fluid sometimes even though there's no leak lol That's what she 'Zed' :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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