sinbad

So what your saying is, that people who have perfectly good drop links should go out and buy something you both sell? ok...

If that was the case, everyone should get rid of their tyres and buy a set of AO48's because their better, or a set of Penske/Quantum/Ohlins suspension even when their oem suspension is fine just because their better.

No one is questioning the durability of the powergrid, you may have sold loads of sets and thats good!

However you have even both admitted to going on track and even having a 600bhp engine which would in my eyes dictate the need for an uprated link. The forces that will be acting on the link will obviously be greater than its design.

Adam you finally get my point However at a similar cost to OEM, im not so sure.

Obviously if the stock links are fine, you could well go on using them. My post is only with respect to when they do go bad, there are ways to solve the issue permenantly, at a similar cost to OEM, with many added benefits.

Adam - You seem to be bigging up Powergrids product again? I'll repeat what i said before "Im not saying the Powergrid ones are bad, in fact they look very good."

I dont disagree with the majority of what you said, most of it your just stating facts. And im not trying to say the Powergrid links are bad as they actually look good and would be an improvement over OEM. (i'll check your link when i get time) i think their a very good alternative choice. With regards to articulation you'll only need more if its being put under a load that the oem droplink wasnt designed for. The oem bar wont be limited by the oem droplinks unless another suspension component has been changed (i.e. roll bar). And therefore my statement in which you disagreed with

""My advice would be not to go changing your drop links unless you've thought about the use it gets and inspected the condition of your current one."" Still stands. Why replace the droplink when for 60k miles its been fine and still is?

As regards to the following statement:

Sure, you can buy the OEM ones 3 or 4 times, but to what end? When I have the time to work on my car, and when I spend any amount of money on it I strictly want the final solution. I am not interested in bandaids that I know will fail at some point. For some, that might work fine, it is all up to the end user. Time is valuable, and while I love my car, I've got other priorities in my life too - so I'd rather spend a bit more and have one less part to worry about. If all you do is normal commuting, etc, then stock everything should last for a long time - there really is little need to mod any aspect of the car for that. In addition to normal day to day use, my weekends consist of aggressive street use, and previously, track days, so I needed something that would support all those uses and not give up the ghost.

Im not sure if your agreeing with my point or not

However not everyone's like you. You've modified yours quite extensiveley and take it on track, so again this goes back to my point which you disagreed with in that you need to consider the use it gets and inspect the condition of your current one.

If your saying that time is valuable which im sure everyones is, why go changing a perfectly good droplink for another perfectly good droplink?

Another question is. If my suspension is standard, i have a nice set of lightweight wheels and a popcharger, i use my car on the motorway to work and back with the occasion blast down the country road. What benefit will i have replacing a good healthy droplink for a powergrid one? What benefits will i get that will outweight my valuable time and lighter pocket?

that's actually not the case at all

 

on my OEM swaybars, I bent a stock endlink while at a track day. Replaced it, and the corresponding side, with new OEM ones. Within 6 months, they were making noise, because the stock "stud" has minimal amounts of articulation to them. I changed them out for aftermarket units, and did new sways (the Whitelines, ironically). Within a few months, those aftermarket ones were making noise too, because they were an open bearing design. That is when we began development work on our own. During that process, we came across the Powergrid ones, and became their exclusive distributor for North America for the 350Z. They have now been on my car for about 2 years, and zero issues. There are countless examples on the US boards about people with nearly stock suspension having issues with stock endlinks as well...it's just one of those parts that doesn't last, much like the inner control arm bushings. Once they were replaced with our Powergrid ones, that was the last time they had to touch it. These are the same links being used on countless full out race cars here in the states on Mustangs, Porsche's, and several other platforms. They have zero noise, and tremendous amounts of articulation, which lets the swaybar actually work and do the job it is designed to do.

The OEM droplinks should be more than adequate. What other mods were on your car? Where you using Semi slicks?

You would only need more articulation/movement in the droplink if your were putting it under extreme load it wasnt designed for. Open Bearing designed ones should also be perfectly fine for what their designed for, however they would require more maintenance to keep them clean and well lubed. Something which i mentioned should only be considered if your tracking your car and if your doing that you would strip your suspension down often anyway. The open bearing ones would be alittle extreme, but if im honest i'd imagine them being better for "racing use" due to the direct nature they will transfer the load.

Im not saying the Powergrid ones are bad, in fact they look very good. But the fact is, for majority of people on here that use their cars on the public road they probably havn't had a problem with the OEM droplinks and could if they wanted replace 3-4 of them before the cost of a Powergrid ones (only 2 bolts to replace them too). Now the powergrid droplinks aren't a fit and forget item as just like the OEM droplinks they have a rubber bush which WILL perish over time. Obviously they'll last a while but so should the OEM droplinks.

My 350z had done over 60k miles IIRC and i never had one problem with the droplinks. If what you say is true, either the user's are putting them under extreme load, (hitting curbs on track, potholes) etc.. or Nissan have badly designed what is in essence a simple item. Your right in the fact that they do break, in fact my current car is prone for it, but if they break every 2 years im happy paying the £37 or less to have it replaced which does its job perfectly well.

If they've broke or the car has high mileage then it may be worth considering swapping to the Powerdgrid/similar ones, but certainly not if the bushes are fine and their in good condtion.

Dont fix what isnt broke. All in my humble opinion of course

OEM droplinks will be more than adequate when on oem suspension and also with lowered suspension.

Its only when the Anti-Roll Bar is changed do you need to consider different drop links due to the increased torsion/forces through the bar. I would have thought these would have been provided as a "kit" when you purchase the anti roll bar?

OEM drop links have rubber bushes on them and over time the rubber will perish as do other bushes on the car. If your still on the standard suspension then replacing the droplinks for new OEM ones is probably worth while as you reach quite high mileage.

Only when you've replaced the Anti roll/sway bars would i consider changing from oem drop links to the heavy duty ones due to increased NVH. Whiteline also offer spherical bearing drop links at a similar price to the heavy duty ones which would probably be better for people who track their cars.

My advice would be not to go changing your drop links unless you've thought about the use it gets and inspected the condition of your current one.

Have a good one Rich!

My hasnt this place changed!

Gung Hei fat choi!

Dad made us a slap up chinese meal too.

just for anyone that doesnt know, Tom/TGM are very well respected in the Honda community, particulary the k20 users. Gets a from me.

Happy Birthday Buddy.. dont drink too much fizzy pop!

ahhh the memories. i remember when half the members were just joining. Cars are getting better and better every year

Off topic, but where have you been Sinbad

Damn ive been spotted!

not posted much on here but pop on now and again. Its in my blood i think. Just been trying to get into my trackdays.

M3's lush though, no matter how popular they are, there still a deceptively good car. Good power, good handling, reliable and considering its had everything done recently.. a good buy too!

Lovely but needs some Volks

Theirs tons of videos of the 350z vs the S2k and theirs a different winner in each one. The guy driving the S2k in the first vid is the drift king Keiichi Tsuchiya and trust me, he knows how to drive. He can still kick the arses of the younger GT300/GT500 drivers. Still nice vid showing revisions of both cars.

could be something trapped between the inner disc surface and the shield especially if you went onto loose ground or the shield may be rubbing on the edge of the disc check its not out of line.

+1

could be a stone or some such...

Looks like another one im going to miss. For anyone that hasn't been then its one of the BEST drives out going. Have a good one guys/gals .

OMG.....!!!

Hope your ok mate.

Good luck getting it back mate!!

glwts

looks much meaner and sounds it too

ITB's would be awesome and different. If they where the same price i would go for the ITB's. Keep it NA and have the best sounding Zed on the road.

Someone just showed me this..

Your all in Max power you chavs

http://www.maxpower.co.uk/galleryview.a ... mage=16704

that guy can run!!

What the hell

Nice pics, good to see that Sinbad can still be critical

I know..

Sorry Shire. The the car was looking blingy, as was everyones off here.

Nice chatting to you again anyway. Cars coming along great.

I think it was the first time H5's car had seen the rain lol

Ive also noticed a big increase in Nismo wheel's...there getting everywhere. Love them though. real MANS wheels haha

Yup, not a bad price. Most intakes are short ram anyway so i dont see why this would be any different to the popcharger or any of the others.

Hey Guys, The Zeds were looking SHIIIINEY!!

Nice turnout. the show was lacking some more trade stands and the space wasn't dished out as well as it could have been. Especially saying the LADs had twice the amount of space we had even though they had only half the cars.

Still on a positive note, overall it was pretty decent for Jamie to sort everything out. It was twice the size it was last year and its good to have something resembling a north show.

Congrats to H5 too!