BobbyZ

I agree with most of what you said - I don't think it is counter to my point that governments have a good idea of what goes on.

Re speculation, I used the example of Lance Armstrong because there was certainly enough evidence out there:

http://nyvelocity.com/articles/interviews/michael-ashenden/

Well for example in the case of Lance Armstrong, it was well known that he doped before the official investigation ever started. Cycling in general was well known to be dirty. Either the politicians, law enforcement organisations etc. were blind or they didn't care, otherwise something would have been done about it. It's only when someone exposes a scandal that everyone acts like it's a huge deal, as is the case here.

I don't believe it's any different with other sports then cycling - I just don't buy that none of the ruling elite have any clue what goes on in professional sports. They're just not motivated to clean it up.

I would say the most governments are aware of what goes on to an extent at least, but turn a blind eye because sport is good for the economy.

PED's are rife in sport especially athletics; its a game of cat and mouse and governing bodies are a long way behind. They test for known substances and freeze 'B samples' for future testing because they are fully aware of current athletes cycling substances that are unknown. We're not just talking your generic anabolic oils, its hormone releasing peptides, EPO, gene cycling...the list is endless depending on how you desire to manipulate the body and its DNA.

 

Dopers are always ahead and anything/everything is available on the black market beit at the local gym or via the internet. It's not just the Russian's and Seb has no chance in guaranteeing a clean 2016 in Rio.

True, but there's also the conflict of interest in governing bodies policing their own sports to consider.

I'm not saying everyone is on drugs in sports but I would say it's not confined to the Ruskies. I just think everyone else has developed ways of staying undetected.

Not exactly... if it was left to the governing bodies, almost everyone would stay undetected (or at least unpunished). It takes things like investigative journalism or a whistleblower to uncover things like this, as happened with Lance Armstrong. It nearly happened recently with Paula Radcliffe too, except her and the IAAF wriggled their way out of a proper investigation (as Armstrong did numerous times).

Given that she gave the rest of the field a bit of a spanking (including Chernova in 3rd), I guess it should be safe to assume that the drugs don't actually work

 

or there's another reason...

Hence the wink

Given that she gave the rest of the field a bit of a spanking (including Chernova in 3rd), I guess it should be safe to assume that the drugs don't actually work

What LRF4N said.

Yeah I'm with you... I just don't see it happening. I'd love to be proved wrong though!

While I don't doubt that the stuff about the Russians is true, I feel like they'll be made a scapegoat of, then the sport's wider doping and corruption issues will be swept under the rug. As an ex-cycling fan, I've seen it all before and I'm hugely cynical about professional sports as a result.

Looks great can't wait to get mine fitted! I also have a blowing OEM at the mo...

Christ how hard is it to control a bike!

Slap your colleague as well - I'd go mental if someone did that to my car

He also damaged my last car by deciding to stand on the bonnet

He sounds like an idiot.

Fair play mate - he'd exhausted the other options so I think you did the right thing

And it's "they're"

Thank god... I thought I was going to have to do that

Slap your colleague as well - I'd go mental if someone did that to my car

What a guy!

Tyres are easily swapped too

I guess so. My point was more to do with the fact that they chose to put them that way round in the first place...

I'm guessing the tyres are directional

I have to say I've thought some of Aston's efforts over the last few years have been overrated, but that is a very good looking car. I reckon the wheels would look better if they switched sides though, so the spokes were swept back

I'm genuinely confused here. Has the issue now shifted from the original "group buy / angry trader" one to this "who badmouthes who?" debate...?

Who cares? This is a great thread either way

Hi Mark, my tyres (Avon ZZ-3) are a bit knackered, so I guess that might explain it. I'll review once I've got the new wheels and tyres fitted, thanks.

Are there any changes that can be made to reduce tramlining under braking, but not reducing agility? It's the one handling trait of my z that I'm not crazy about (probably won't help that I'm fitting 9.5/10.5" wheels soon ).

No probs, hope it gets sorted.

Abbey Motorsport in Oxted are highly recommended

Haha fair enough - well at least your ride will be nice and comfy Leave a bit of a margin through speed cameras though, because your rolling radius will be up a bit!

Nice motor anyway