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Just think we're naive to discard something because we don't have proof.

I'd argue the opposite, why believe something for which there is no evidence? Do you believe in unicorns? Leprechauns? Fairies? We have no evidence for those but not many people believe they exist.

No I would say that there most likely is life on other planets. I'm missing the point of your question though...

But why? There is the same amount of evidence for life on another planet as there is that god exists? I.e. Zero.

There may not be any evidence of life on other planets, but the laws of probability suggest there most likely is. For me I think it's reasonable to think that of the trillions of planets out there, this is probably not the only one to have life on it. To say that something is probable based on what we already know and can observe, is very different from saying something is true because I just think it is.

Exactly. Religion claims that god exists, without providing any evidence to support its claim.

No I would say that there most likely is life on other planets. I'm missing the point of your question though...

You make the mistake many people make. An atheist does not necessarily say "there are no gods". That would be a ridiculous claim that cannot be proven. However, what we do say is "I don't believe there are any gods because it has not been proven otherwise". There is a subtle but definite difference.

Atheism is not a belief system. It's not believing in gods. That's it. As for who can be proved right, well the burden of proof lies with the ones making the claim, that being that there is a god.

Are the Masons a Religion.

 

Nope, they are a Cult.

Difference between a religion and a cult?

Cult - There's a guy at the top knows it's all a load of BS

Religion - That guy is dead.

Can't see smoked ones but they do clear http://www.tarmacsportz.co.uk/GB/350Z_NISSAN__02-05__JDM_CLEAR_REFLECTORS/350JDMCR_.aspx

This was our cake. It didn't really turn out as good as we'd hoped. The car's going the wrong way for a start!

Making stuff ourselves worked for us, and it's loads cheaper. As soon as you want to buy anything for a wedding the price gets another zero added. I can't stand being blatantly ripped off.

We got married on 7 October and we had 28 guests. Immediate family and closest friends only. Everyone that really matters. We then had another 20 people at night. All planned in 6 months over and done with. The day was brilliant, nice intimate do that didn't cost he earth. We just told other people that we were keeping costs down and sorry but it's family only. If they didn't like it then tough titty.

While we're here, wedding favours.

 

 

No. Just no.

 

 

I'm paying for you to have a full slap-up meal, and the drinks too. No way I'm shelling out a bunch of cash on pointless little bags of pretty stuff that you're only going to throw away or leave behind.

We donated to cancer research, got a load of cancer research badges, and put them in a little favour box along with a Lindor, and a message saying that a donation had been made on the guests behalf.

that's a bit weird imo... im gonna be getting married soon, but neither me of my fiancé are religious, so it'll be civil ceremony somewhere.

 

where are you going to get married if you're not religious, but want a church wedding? I thought you had to a member of the parish and actually go to church to be able to get married in one?

Don't you need to go to Church for a couple of weeks before hand?

Yep. They make you go a few times or they don't let you get married there. I do kind of get the appeal, nice buildings make for nice photos and all that, but there was no way I was getting married in church.

I don't know what they charge but the worlds only trillionaire organisation must surely need every penny

On the subject of credit scores, if you want an idea of how yours looks get yourself a Noddle account. Free and simple. I've had an account for a while. It was recommended by that money expert bloke on TV.

https://www.noddle.co.uk/

Edit: Martin Lewis, that's the guy.

The Sainsbury's Christmas advert.

Last year I visited the Normandy American Cemetery Memorial. Standing there looking at crosses as far as the eye can see really hammers home the cost of war. It was a very moving and humbling experience, and I think it's something everyone should do.

In my 43 yrs of existence my only formal religious practice consisted solely of prayers and hymns at primary school assembly.

My brother has married a practicing catholic who has sparked more of an interest in religion in me.

Furthermore I have a few few close friends who are practicing Muslims.

Having talked at length with many people I am torn between 2 basic religious concepts.

On the one hand I find it amazing how that in the whole universe as we know it our planet is the only one that supports life.....and not just pond life (amoebas and twocas alike ) but us humans.

Part of me truly finds it hard to believe this is purely by CHANCE and "creation" was an "accident" or random event that resulted in billions of stars and rocks and ONE planet supporting us people.

 

On the other hand I find it hard to believe that such a creator as god would take such an interest in each individuals lives and entrust his message to such a relative few prophets to be spread to all.

 

As a medical professional I find how the body works and heals amazing.

From a microscopic level to the fine balance of our ecosystem its kind of mind blowing.

 

So I suppose I'm kinda on the fence at the moment.

Do I believe in creation by chance........maybe not.

Do I believe in a possible higher power beyond my comprehension behind our existence here rather than a random big bang that resulted in our tiny spec in the universe being just right for life to be created.......quite possibly.

Am I convinced that any one of the prophets were truly gifted with revelations from god......not with my limited knowledge and logical/scientific head on.

I should really study all of the holy scriptures at some point to make a more educated comment/decision.

 

SO AM I AN ATHEIST?

As has been said, because you don't reject the existence of any god, then no you are not an atheist.

As for your dilemma, how any intelligent logical thinking person can read a holy book and believe it to be true is incomprehensible to me. The simple fact that there are so many, and even different versions of the same one, should ring alarm bells without even picking it up. Religion is man made. It is so obvious I don't know how it's even up for question. Holy books are full of contradictions and fantastic stories. They are also supposed to be the word of the one true god. What, all of them? They can't all be the true. There are also almost 3000 deities. If you're going to choose one, choose wisely!

As for their being a creator of some kind, well this I can see why people may perhaps struggle with a bit more. I get that there is an infinitely small chance of life coming in to being, but obviously it's not impossible since we're all here. The beginnings of life has been explained. Evolution is proven and can be observed. We know how we got here.

We have to accept that we don't know everything. That's not a reason to fill in the gaps with god. It's perfectly acceptable to say we don't know - yet. You'll often hear the religious say that everything can't come from nothing and that the universe MUST have been made by god. They can never explain where god came from however, or why their particular god is the real one.

Thanks Chris. I realise why the price is high, I wasn't having a pop at you guys. I was hoping someone knew of someone selling non-gen items.

Thanks for the offer of the LED set. I did look at them before but they look a bit too Citroen DS3 for my taste. I'd take them and not wire them up but that's not really in the spirit of the deal is it!

They are different mate but thanks. The earlier ones aren't actually bad to buy new.

Yes I'm interested. Nice one cheers

Just found a Redlne thread on them cheers. Tarmac are the supplier I've already seen, although I haven't contacted Chris directly. The price form both is bonkers. I don't mind if a part is £10, £100, or £1000, as long as it seems worth the money.

Only just seen that it's best to remove the front bumper to fit them too. Not sure I'm THAT bothered. Anyone know if they can be fitted an easier way?

I fancy some clear or smoked bumper reflectors for my 07 plate and I can only find one supplier, and the price shocking. Anyone know of anywhere selling them?

Kind of but we've covered that one. What's your point?

You still haven't shown where anyone said "Religion is the reason of anything evil"

This week We have a religious thread and people saying Religion is the reason of anything Evil

 

Who said that?

+1

 

Steve, you're in critical danger of doing a Dblock on us here mate.

 

“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.â€

― Steven Weinberg

 

Nobody is born evil

That doesn't say "Religion is the reason of anything evil".

This week We have a religious thread and people saying Religion is the reason of anything Evil

Who said that?

Or make a new 'religion' that has a festival of present giving once a month

Best thing you've said all day. I'm on it...