Dblock

Well, I'll say it then: You're not wanted.

 

We're not friends, I don't find you endearing, nor witty, nor clever. I don't feel that when I have a debate with you on here that you pay any attention to anything I (nor anyone else for that matter) says, and instead you twist things and ignore facts and statements as you see fit. I can have proper full-on debates with other people on here that are as passionate as anything you will see, and yet I have a huge respect for them still because of the way they choose to present themselves.

 

Since you've been back, you've caused nothing but arguments and problems. You bring with you a cloud of negativity and poison that blights this place, and even when I'm at my most darkest and cutting I don't think I have a thing on you when it comes to alienating a community. For that, bravo sir.

 

 

I'll save you the trouble of trying to think of ways to insult me: I'm forthright, opinionated, pedantic and sarcastic. I speak my mind, and I offend some people. And yet, I still always try to explain my POV or add a winky face here or there to express myself, and when I've done wrong I'll PM someone to apologise. I'm a keyboard warrior with a conscience, if you will.

 

Tbh, you frustrate me as much as anything. From now on, I'm done. I refuse to be baited by you, to be drawn down to your level, to even contemplate conversing with you any more. I can only hope you see fit to have one last burst of dignity in you and refrain from posting on here again, in the hope that the rest of us can continue to enjoy this place. At the very least, perhaps you could try and contain your troll posts, even a fraction. Either way, I'm through. Never again will I reply to you, directly or indirectly.

aaww I didn't see myself causing arguments just voicing my opinion. I honestly didnt want any arguments. Ok fair enough each to their own. I'll go.

You're not wanted on here

from the mods and ill go. I don't mind either way. But not from you.

Personal choice. One mans steak is another mans offal. Personal opinion wont help you. Drive both and make your own mind up.

 

lol years on and it doesnt change does it.

 

Explain..???

It's a little joke between me and Rich. Are you planning to just follow me around the forum?

In a bmw or mercedes or similar if it's for your wife (assuming she isn't a girl racer) she could drive a m5 and wouldn't know it. My mum has drove rwd's forever and my brothers wife has a 330d and is fine. Both have driven my car and large engined bmw/mercs in the past and honestly had no problems. Winter tyres are put on as soon as temp drop though.

BMW's are more driver focused than lexus and 4k wont get you a nice c class. Plus you can't beat Japanese reliability. For that price nothing would compare specs wise to that. A Honda accord is the closest thing with the 2.2 cdti engine but it's a bit grandadish too.

lol . . . shoe on the other foot now eh?

From a mod, poor effort. If I'm not wanted here man up and say. I haven't blamed minorities for nothing so no.

I don't like stuff like that. It reminds me of our fragility. Good going for a tall guy. Unfortunately they don't last to long as someone says their hearts usually give out.

 

Yes, he wasn't your normal very tall guy either as he suffered from a form of gigantism.

 

Pete

Just looking at gigantism. Most of the tall wrestlers have that. In general he had double the life expectancy of many other with the same condition. Condolences to his family too.

Mods please intervene. I'm not looking for trouble. I know whackywill and gmballistic don't like me thats fine. But it looks like they are trying to pick a fight for no reason. There is people on here I don't like what does saying it to them achieve? They are only trying to bait me for no reason.

Personal choice. One mans steak is another mans offal. Personal opinion wont help you. Drive both and make your own mind up.

lol years on and it doesnt change does it.

Meaning?

You always reply like your angry. We have known each other a long time. Are we not friends? Don't be pressured into saying yes.

Aged 74, he passed away on the 10th September 2014. Unknown cause atm.

 

RIP but he died after breaking his leg I heard? I don't think he died from the broken leg though did he?

 

He could have had a fat embolism, that's when bone marrow enters the blood stream. That's what happened to the racing driver Ronnie Peterson .

 

Pete

I don't like stuff like that. It reminds me of our fragility. Good going for a tall guy. Unfortunately they don't last to long as someone says their hearts usually give out.

Meaning?

Nothing bad. It's just an insight into you which explains stuff.

My boss doesn't mind what I do when I'm at work, as long as everything gets done.

 

Thanks, Dad!

That explains so much about you.

Aged 74, he passed away on the 10th September 2014. Unknown cause atm.

RIP but he died after breaking his leg I heard? I don't think he died from the broken leg though did he?

Did everyone take their chill pill today?

I hope not. Dblock only shows up when trouble is afoot.

No-one would miss Merseyside

or newcastle

I would

I wouldn't miss Birmingham either.

Brummies are awesome. Kipper teeee? Seriously good times there and in comparison to the rest of the uk they don't suck at being nice.

There was mate, that was the problem.

 

It was rightly locked.

Personal insults or insults against peoples ideas?

They would play nice.

Can we not have it unlocked. I don't see why it got locked. If people don't want to get upset by it maybe they should just not click on it.

The nature of it will be slightly heated. This is the future of Scotland. Our country. But there was no

Insults.

There's over 30 pages of debate on the other thread

 

Feel free to get stuck into that one

Locked and although I am a yes supporters I'm up for answering and taking criticism.

It could be pretty close. I think it shoyld be no but if its yes I stop paying tax so I wont be too worried.

 

So how is the scottish govement going to pay for all the public sector then if nobodys paying tax

There is only one guy in Scotland paying tax?

England doesn't give a toss? Why are they all crying on here then lol.

Out of interest, what does the UK offer the Scottish people if we stay in the union? Can you guarantee that westminster won't make mistakes that can cause catastrophic issues for the UK? Can you guarantee that the oil won't run out? What else is on offer?

 

As far as I can see, if the oil runs out, regardless of where the revenue is going, it will have massive complications for the full of the UK anyway? Can you guarantee that the government won't make an arse of it again?

I think on your first point if we don't get independent they will tighten the screws on us big time. They will take away our devolved powers or over ride them and it will be ok as they will say well you didn't want independence so this is what you voted for, being controlled by Westminster.

I think people are being jealous and hostile on here because they want this for England. A revolution. A change. But they can't get it.

Ok, for those of you that haven't read the McCrone report, heres a summary from wikipedia.

 

 

This article is about the report on economic aspects of Scottish independence. For the agreement involving Scottish teachers' working conditions, see McCrone agreement.

The McCrone report was a UK Government document which was written and researched at the Scottish Office (St. Andrews House in Edinburgh) on behalf of the British Government of the day (Conservative, led by Edward Heath).

The eighteen-page report focused on the likely effects of North Sea oil revenue on the economic viability of an independent Scotland. Professor Gavin McCrone wrote the paper as advice to the UK Government. The report predicted that North sea oil revenue would give an independent Scotland a large tax surplus, on such a scale as to be "embarrassing", making the country "as rich as Switzerland." He also surmised that this surplus revenue would make the Scottish pound the hardest currency in Europe "with the exception of the Norwegian kronor".

The document was completed in early 1974, just prior to the February '74 general election, which produced a 'hung parliament' with Harold Wilson as Prime Minister. Another general election was called for October '74, which gave the Labour party a slim majority in Westminster, whilst the SNP recorded 30% of the Scottish vote, their best ever result at that time.

After discussions between St. Andrews House and the Cabinet Office in London, Prof. McCrone passed the report on to the new Labour government, on 23 April 1975, along with a covering letter. The covering letter is the source of the oft-quoted phrase about "taking the wind out of the SNP’s sails"; Prof. McCrone was here outlining what actions he believed would be necessary to prevent support for the SNP from growing further.

The report was classified as 'secret' by civil servants at the time, and successive UK Governments kept it so, over fears that it would give a further boost to the SNP's policy of Scottish independence.^[2]

A year after Professor McCrone had written his report, civil servants in London (including McCrone himself) met to discuss its implications. They concluded that his findings had been accurate, and that the average income in Scotland would increase by up to 30% per head if the country became an independent state. They also concluded that Scotland's "economic problems would disappear", and it would become "the Kuwait of the Western world", though this was balanced somewhat by the opinion that Scotland could risk "disaster" if the oil price collapsed. The civil servants in London summed up by finding that there was "a good case for the continuation of the Union."

The report came to light in 2005 when the SNP obtained several UK Government papers under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. The full provisions of the Act came into force on 1 January 2005.

UK oil production peaked in 1999 and had declined 67% by 2012, but petroleum still contributed £35bn to the UK balance of payments in 2011. The UK government took an estimated £6,530m in direct petroleum taxes in 2012-13 plus £6bn in income tax, national insurance and corporation tax from supply companies in 2011-12. As of 2012 around 45% of UK oil & gas employees are in Scotland.

In his evidence to the Lords Committee on the Economic Implications of Scottish Independence in 2012, Professor McCrone stated that Scotland's GDP would increase by around 20% if North Sea oil were counted as part of it.

In an interview for Holyrood Magazine on the 19th of May 2013, ex-Labour chancellor Dennis Healey (who served in the Cabinet at the time the McCrone Report was submitted) stated: "I think we did underplay the value of the oil to the country because of the threat of [scottish] nationalism... I think they [Westminster politicians] are concerned about Scotland taking the oil, I think they are worried stiff about it."

That's the thing. How can you vote no after that. Apparently they don't control us lol but they deliberately and knowingly sabotaged that. They knew if Scotland went it alone it would do fine. Yet I'm not supposed to trust the same sort of people.

But remember there is 1 Tory msp in Scofland. 1. That is crazy 1 Tory msp yes they control us? How is that fair?

 

In case you havent noticed we have a coalition at the moment, i voted Tory and i have Liberals as you put it "controlling" the Uk, is that fair, no, thats just politics.

 

So if you get independence by as low as 1% is it any fairer for the 49% that voted No having a Scottish government "controlling" them, of course not, but thats just politics.

 

I understand the whole wanting independence , thats cool and your choice to vote, but the whole "i" just dont want Westminster in control attitude as your reason is just so narrow minded.

 

Still no one voting yes has answered my question, IF you get independence and IF they mess it up, will you feel happier knowing it was a Scottish government that messed it up?

 

Just remember, no late night texts in a few years saying we made a mistake we want you back

 

Honestly mate it it was to go all belly up. Then we can say we mucked up. It our fault. We ruined it. But that was our decision and Scotland made it's decisions with it thought was best for it.

 

But that won't happen cos we will rule yeah son!

 

There is a reason we don't want Westminster in charge.

 

Sorry buddy and take take this offensively but you are talking absolute bullsh*t that "IF" it does all go tits up if you get independence and i genuinely hope its doesnt, you will sit there with a completely messed up health service, police force, tax system, state pension, economy etc etc etc etc and say, "ah its ok, they knew what was best and were Scottish, so its all fine, i am out of job, the banks have lost my money etc but its still ok as it wasnt Westminster"

 

And you avoided answering, would it be fair on a hypothetical 49% if you get independence??

What else do you think would happen! Also no need for such language. The same thing is happening at the moment. Who is there to blame? Scotland is a rich country to a lot of places yet it doesn't seem it. We aren't using our strength enough and we aren't addressing our weaknesses.

Yes it would be fair. Because unlike PR independence is a yes or no thing. It's like if I voted for labour but snp still won that means more people wanted snp. That's the way it works. There would be 18 months for them to get used to it. Would it be fair if the YES vote didn't win? That's the way it works. Vote and whoever gets the most votes wins.

But remember there is 1 Tory msp in Scofland. 1. That is crazy 1 Tory msp yes they control us? How is that fair?

 

In case you havent noticed we have a coalition at the moment, i voted Tory and i have Liberals as you put it "controlling" the Uk, is that fair, no, thats just politics.

 

So if you get independence by as low as 1% is it any fairer for the 49% that voted No having a Scottish government "controlling" them, of course not, but thats just politics.

 

I understand the whole wanting independence , thats cool and your choice to vote, but the whole "i" just dont want Westminster in control attitude as your reason is just so narrow minded.

 

Still no one voting yes has answered my question, IF you get independence and IF they mess it up, will you feel happier knowing it was a Scottish government that messed it up?

 

Just remember, no late night texts in a few years saying we made a mistake we want you back

Honestly mate it it was to go all belly up. Then we can say we mucked up. It our fault. We ruined it. But that was our decision and Scotland made it's decisions with it thought was best for it.

But that won't happen cos we will rule yeah son!

There is a reason we don't want Westminster in charge.

THEY DON'T CONTROL YOU

 

FFS what happens when you do go independent, you personally vote for SNP but Labour get in instead? Do you then spend all your time complaining about how you're being controlled by someone you didn't vote for as well?

 

That's democracy. It's not perfect. But it's life.

 

How do they not control us?

Really? You're actually asking how democracy works?

 

So if Labour won the first independent Scot vote, or even let's say Scottish Conservatives won, would you then still be complaining that you're controlled by someone you didn't vote for? I'm not sure how much more simpler I can put this for you. It's not a perfect system, but it's the one we have, and you Scots didn't particularly want to change it last time there was a vote on it.

I don't think you understand democracy.

We have an SNP government here. Why does the English government control us? In Scotland there is 1 Tory mp yet they control everything in our country? That is NOT democracy.

Imagine it was the other way round. No snp mps in England yet the SNP in Holyrood still controlled you. Would that be fair?