Jake.Lowther Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Anyone got any fitted to their Z and does it make a noticeable difference? I've got some cheapish ones on order since all they are are just gas struts just interested to see if they make a noticeable difference when driving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Most so called torque dampers are just a metal shaft sandwiched between pieces of very hard rubber and washers, and actually don't do anything except transmit engine vibration to the bodywork, i would avoid unless you can actually find a real gas or hydraulic damper, VAG/BMW used to fit them to the 2 and 3 series. If you can fabricate mounts for a mountain bike damper, it will work much better than the ones you can buy...snake oil! Edited May 30, 2017 by Tricky-Ricky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake.Lowther Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 Most so called torque dampers are just a metal shaft sandwiched between pieces of very hard rubber and washers, and actually don't do anything except transmit engine vibration to the bodywork, i would avoid unless you can actually find a real gas or hydraulic damper, VAG/BMW used to fit them to the 2 and 3 series. If you can fabricate mounts for a mountain bike damper, it will work much better than the ones you can buy...snake oil! The one I bought is a hydraulic or gas dampener but I had a feeling they were more for show than actual functionality. I'll post some feedback on it once I get it and fit it to see if it just another piece of engine eye candy or does what it says on the tin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Not really snake oil, as such. They do two things of note, one you noted as a disadvantage, that some consider an advantage; the fact that certain engine vibrations are felt more through the body (though this is lessened by real dampers vs a poly bush in a piston). Some say this is important to them, that they can 'feel' what the engine is doing better, but the primary purpose of them, which is to stop the engine lurching around in the engine bay under hard transitions of on/off power, is only advantageous and even the cheap ones are relatively effective at this. Fitting one can often result in a car feeling a bit sharper, especially if the engine mounts are soft as standard or worn out. The more horsepower you have, the more advantageous they are. As for disadvantages, can't really think of any...So, worth putting one in the basket one rainy sunday when you're really stuck for something to spend your paypal balance on. Edited May 30, 2017 by Aashenfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Effective video, but surprisingly does not mention or convey how much more, and more violent the same movements are under load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Decent new or uprated engine mounts do exactly the same, but without the vibration transmission.....i have fitted several different types to several different engines, and taken them off again...IMO if you need to fit torque dampers to feel what your engine is doing you need a course in mechanical sympathy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake.Lowther Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 Decent new or uprated engine mounts do exactly the same, but without the vibration transmission.....i have fitted several different types to several different engines, and taken them off again...IMO if you need to fit torque dampers to feel what your engine is doing you need a course in mechanical sympathy. Didn't really want to feel what my engine was doing I just read some people reckon it helps get power down slightly better most likely tosh but I'll see for myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake.Lowther Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just got a package in the post today https://m.imgur.com/a/nB2iS I'll let yall know if I notice any major differences after fitting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jords Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I had one for a brief period on my ep3. Was running a fair bit of power. If I'm being honest the car did seem to be a bit snappier when going back on the throttle after changin gear, but only slightly. The metallic vibration was horrible (worse than stiffened mounts I'd say) especially at idle so it had to go! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake.Lowther Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 I had one for a brief period on my ep3. Was running a fair bit of power. If I'm being honest the car did seem to be a bit snappier when going back on the throttle after changin gear, but only slightly. The metallic vibration was horrible (worse than stiffened mounts I'd say) especially at idle so it had to go! Was the vibration noise coming from the joints of the strut vibrating against the mounts or was it the whole frame of the car making the noise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jords Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 It was the actual dampener vibrating against its own mounts that was causing the issue and it transferred it through the entire car, especially the steering wheel. However, the civic was light and tinny and that could have made it worse. It might not be a big issue with the heavier better built zed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jords Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 On the same note.. Have a look at these bits I found on them: http://forums.nicoclub.com/engine-damper-installed-wow-t332995.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake.Lowther Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 On the same note.. Have a look at these bits I found on them: http://forums.nicoclub.com/engine-damper-installed-wow-t332995.html I've already seen that, that's what persuaded me to get one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jords Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Get it fitted. They sometimes need adjusting so give it a chance. On the video there doesn't seem to be any noises when he's idling I was trying to watch closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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taybo Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Just got a package in the post today https://m.imgur.com/a/nB2iS I'll let yall know if I notice any major differences after fitting. Might try one. Where did you get yours from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Interestingly no feedback from the OP, that video just sums up the general consensus, vibration, I certainly have never noticed any change in "getting the power down" from fitting one, and fail to see just how this could happen, other than bolting the motor to the chassis directly, and then it would be tenths of a second and totally unnoticeable, mind you it is a US review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisyduke Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Unless the engine is doing a 180 degree rotation how much quicker can power go down? Even if it's a 10 degree rotation then how fast does the crank move 10 degrees of rotation to "feel" it? Edited March 30, 2018 by Daisyduke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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