Ekona Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Theresa gone done us a surprise, ain't she? Election on June 8, assuming the other parties vote for it tomorrow. It's irritating, tbh. It's just going to cost us millions to hold the election, and we're two years away from a Brexit deal vote anyway. We either end up with a much bigger Tory majority which doesn't really change a lot, or we get a coalition of competing arguments led by someone who can't even command a lead within his own shadow cabinet. Edited May 3, 2017 by Ekona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Same $h!t, different name - nothing will change ultimately. Where's the Monster Raving Loony Party ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Here's a question: What if a Labour-coalition get in, and then decide that we don't want to Brexit after all? Can we even stop A50 now? What if the EU say nope, sorry but you've triggered it now, you're leaving one way or another? Also, anyone catch May's speech? Interesting to note how she slagged off Corbyn and Labour, then Farron and the LD, but simply mentioned Sturgeon and the SNP by name only with no disparaging comments? It's as if she didn't want to upset a key group of voters...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Doesnt allow many to "prepare" but in reality, Labour isnt going to turn anything round in a couple of months with a leader the party dont even have confidence in, Lib Dems burned their bridges with their coalition, so as per Ekona, the only thing likely is a bigger Tory majority (imho). However, 2 things i am curious about. How will Ukip now fair seeing as in reality they have achieved their goal How will the Snp fair with NS still banging her war drums and not much more it seems You can be sure there is a spin here and ultimately within the Tories best interest, sadly i am just not that into politics to make an assumption to what and after the last "who/which way you voting", i will be keeping that to myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Didn't even bother counting UKIP as a serious contender in the poll I stuck up, I kinda figured they're dead as a dead thing now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Can we even stop A50 now? What if the EU say nope, sorry but you've triggered it now, you're leaving one way or another? One thing is sure, if we do go back cap in hand to the EU, we are going to bent over and not even greased up...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Can we even stop A50 now? What if the EU say nope, sorry but you've triggered it now, you're leaving one way or another? One thing is sure, if we do go back cap in hand to the EU, we are going to bent over and not even greased up...... Hopefully that's not even a possibility ffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I guess we will soon find out as if any of the other parties feel they can grab some remainers, they will be making promises about a Brexit deal, although as said with the whole Brexit thing, who knows what deal we can strike, no matter what party is at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 And of course no-one will actually remember that they're voting for who is going to be running the country and all the other non-important stuff like NHS, education, taxes etc. The media (and the parties themselves!) will focus so hard on Brexit, everything else will just get the odd line here or there. That's the real shame. Also, we've got county council elections on May 8th: Why couldn't she have called this earlier and had them on the same day, to save costs? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Kay Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Its fair enough. She's asking for a vote of confidence and she can then in future turn to those who slag her off and remind them that she was voted in As A50 has been triggered, there's no going back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodder Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) ..... As A50 has been triggered, there's no going back That is incorrect Lord Kerr (the author) has come out and said there is nothing binding to back out of it, there may be repercussion's as far as Britains status within the EU Source: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37852628 Edited for source Edited April 18, 2017 by Fodder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Kay Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The article I read this morning said that there is no backing out. Oh well, I'm sure we'll find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Brexit has been the oddest game of pass the...bomb? ever. One person achieves it but isn't in a position to action it, the guy that is leaves and passes it on to our Trease, she actions it and could end up not seeing it through. I do think labour need to become a solid party with less in fighting to stand a chance. But I also look back to the country's reaction to having the unelected Brown in charge and how we were quick to remove him, admittedly he didn't help himself by being a rubbish people person, May could go the same way. The country does seem rather fractured atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodder Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The article I read this morning said that there is no backing out. Oh well, I'm sure we'll find out To be honest I don't think any of them actually know what is or isn't possible once it was triggered and I expect it will tie up legal boffins for decades if they get involved again. Also I think it highly unlikely any leader would want to back out as it will be seen that referendums are pointless. Back to the debate, I can't honestly see any other outcome than May getting elected, i tend to sit on the fence and vote for the policies which make sense for me at the local level however I think this time I'm going to have to vote for which party I think will get the better deal from Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 I put a fiver on JC to be PM after the election. £50 my way if it happens, which should soften the blow before he taxes it out of my pocket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I put a fiver on JC to be PM after the election. £50 my way if it happens, which should soften the blow before he taxes it out of my pocket God knows why but i read that as Jeremy Clarkson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Would stand a significantly better chance of being elected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The article I read this morning said that there is no backing out. Oh well, I'm sure we'll find out To be honest I don't think any of them actually know what is or isn't possible once it was triggered and I expect it will tie up legal boffins for decades if they get involved again. Also I think it highly unlikely any leader would want to back out as it will be seen that referendums are pointless. Back to the debate, I can't honestly see any other outcome than May getting elected, i tend to sit on the fence and vote for the policies which make sense for me at the local level however I think this time I'm going to have to vote for which party I think will get the better deal from Brexit. Am I missing something, thw vote was to leave, that's what the majority of people voted for, so to change it wouldn't there have to be a referendum to decide if we have another refernedum to votre leave or stay!!? Just asking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 As A50 has been triggered, there's no going back That was my understanding too.......however, I don't know of any rule saying that a country that quits The EU cannot rejoin it at a (much) later date. I wasn't in the least bit surprised by the announcement, I've expected this ever since she became Prime Minister despite her previous denials. I expect a 150 seat majority for the Cons, The Lib Dems to make a partial comeback 25 seats or so, UKIP to go down the plughole and Jeremy Corbyn to remain Labour leader. There may well be a split in The Labour party with some MP's defecting to the Lib Dems. I think she may have missed a trick by not holding the election on the same day as the local elections as they would probably have won a shedload of local councils too but let's see. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodder Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The article I read this morning said that there is no backing out. Oh well, I'm sure we'll find out To be honest I don't think any of them actually know what is or isn't possible once it was triggered and I expect it will tie up legal boffins for decades if they get involved again. Also I think it highly unlikely any leader would want to back out as it will be seen that referendums are pointless. Back to the debate, I can't honestly see any other outcome than May getting elected, i tend to sit on the fence and vote for the policies which make sense for me at the local level however I think this time I'm going to have to vote for which party I think will get the better deal from Brexit. Am I missing something, thw vote was to leave, that's what the majority of people voted for, so to change it wouldn't there have to be a referendum to decide if we have another refernedum to votre leave or stay!!? Just asking I totally agree and I think it would be political suicide not to put it to a vote of the public to see if the majority want to back out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Any chance of DC for PM ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveBoy Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Any chance of DC for PM ? Probably not, he still works with Red Bull a lot, quite a busy guy by all accounts. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Only joking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 So if Labour crash and loose more seats, what then, another leadership battle with JC standing "again" and being voted in "again"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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