Pondering about Coilovers (KW v3 etc)

[nissanman312]

Hah, I certainly appreciate the input !

One thing I'm not massively concerned about is the body coating, as I tend to get the car on the ramp quite frequently, so always give them a wipe down, however yes the KW bodies always look great no matter the age.

The KW V3 is £1728 though.

 

What MeisterR suspension did you have, and was it from new ?

 

 

I payed 1250 for my v3 they are epic I love them

PM me for details of who to speak to regards price

 

I dont want to be a tosser about it but this suggests anyone can get them for £1250 ......... not as part of group buy if there are enough other people and the vendor decides to go for it.

As it stands they are £1600 odd for my car and apparently £1700 for a 350Z which is a good few hundred more than Meisters and more than twice what HSD cost.

 

That's a fair and justified comment to make i opolagise if I made out they were available to everyone to buy at that price clearly they are not

However this is what I payed and would be willing to see if I could get some kind of group buy for people

 

Let me contact the vendor first of

all and see if they would be willing to do some kind of group buy resulting in a discount to the fourum then if that's a possibility I'll discuss with the mods to see where the land lies with this as he's not a trader on here

 

Leave it with me I'll ask the question

Edited January 8, 2017 by nissanman312

[MeisterR]

What is a fast road set up? This is banded about on lots of forums and it is borderline cringeworthy. There is no such thing as a fast road setup.

 

But to answer your question the high speed damping and control of the KWv3 smashes the MeisterR. This is not just a benefit for roads, but track too as you can attack the curbs more aggressively without losing your wheel contact.

 

 

A fast road setup is what we in vehicle dynamics class as a "Tarmac Rally" setup.

 

Tarmac Rally is a graph that is "shield" shape in the force vs displacement dyno.

This type of damper have smooth progressive lead in to the peak compression force.

This allow suspension to absorb uneven road surfaces and retain contact with the road.

They have long peaky rebound curve, as they control kinetic energy early on.

 

A motorsport setup have a FvD graph that is what we call a "square" setup.

This type of damper have very high compression cracking pressure, very aggressive on the tyres.

Do not provide compliancy at all.

The rebound do not control the kinetic energy until the very last moment, and this allow the damper to return quickly to it's initial starting point but comes to a abrupt stop.

Also not comfortable.

 

A very comfortable damper will have a "oval" graph.

This type of damper literally have no cracking pressure, and does not have any abrupt change of direction.

The type of damper are what BAD build for Rolls Royce.

 

So I hope this enlighten you what is a "fast road' setup and how it compare to other damper vehicle dynamically.

 

The Ohlins DFV aren't as good and you're really paying for the name. ]

 

If you honestly think that Ohlins DFV, a complex high pressure mono-tube damper with a high speed compression blow off design.

Is not as good as the KW V3, a low pressure twin-tube damper with an adjustable centre jet and a base valve.

 

I am sort of speechless, and would highly recommend getting a little more information regarding suspension design.

 

To me, that is almost like saying Rays wheels aren't as good as Rota, and you are really paying for the name.

 

Jerrick

[nissanman312]

OK I've contacted the chap who sorted me out regarding a group buy I'll await his response

 

Also just for reference James juniors thred

Where he talks of a price very close to mine with no group buys from dt I don't know if kw's have gone since we got these prices but could be worth speaking with dt aswell

 

http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/107272-a-370z-with-a-modern-twist/page__fromsearch__1

[docwra]

The GT1 being quite a bit cheaper than the DFV is also a bonus, but I personally feel at this price bracket the performance of the suspension is much more important.

 

If I coud get a set of DFV's for anything like reasonable money Id probably have them fitted already, so straight question - would you (or more importantly your customers) claim that the GT1's perform as well as the Ohlins for fast road and streetcar track use?

 

I seem to have booked myself a trackday at the Ring this morning you see .........

[MeisterR]

If I coud get a set of DFV's for anything like reasonable money Id probably have them fitted already, so straight question - would you (or more importantly your customers) claim that the GT1's perform as well as the Ohlins for fast road and streetcar track use?

 

I seem to have booked myself a trackday at the Ring this morning you see .........

 

I guess the best feedback I can give is this:

 

The owner of a local performance shop in the USA who is a big EVO tuner and a big Ohlins dealer drove my 350Z with the GT1 fitted.

He was unsure about the MeisterR, and I said "I got a 350Z there with the GT1 coilovers fitted, go for a test drive"

 

He came back 10 minutes laters, got out the car, look at the sales manager, and said "We can sell this".

 

Like I say, performance is "subjective", so there isn't a solid measurement of better or not.

 

But if you ask me the straight questions of:

Would I claim that the GT1's perform as well as the Ohlins for fast road and streetcar track use?

 

I would answer YES.

 

It is a big claim, but I couldn't think of a scenario where the Ohlins DFV would out perform the GT1 in every single performance category.

And that is me, being fair, unbiased, and quite conservative; because it is a BIG answer to give, and a huge expectation to live up to.

 

Jerrick

[Drayvn]

I vote for Ohlins DFVs just to throw more spanners into the works

 

I try to justify £2500 to myself on a daily basis. Havent quite got there yet

 

Would also state that Ive seen no evidence of KW v3's for £1250 as claimed earlier in the thread. You gets what you pay for I think

 

Totally understand that, that's why the only reason i bought them was because i grabbed a brand new set at £1400!

Have you tried other coilovers, and if so how do the Öhlins compare?

 

Unfortunately i haven't tried many and they were of the cheaper spec stuff, i have tried the standard suspension, BC Coilovers, and MeisterR (the non GT1 spec, the lower spec ones)

 

I found that the BC Coilovers were crashy and would lift too much at motorway speeds, when there were big undulations it felt like i was boating, then when it came to small bumps it felt like it crashed everywhere. Hated them in the end!

 

MeisterR is fitted to a mates car, while pretty good, better than the BC, they were smooth, but the damping forces when tried to drive hard just didnt work that well. Worked great as a normal daily driver that's for sure. Never drove it on the motorway so i can't give anything on that.

 

Ohlins, literally as soon as i started driving them on the setting they recommended you could tell how well the damping was for the car, the crappy roads over here weren't crappy anymore, no more sloppiness and there was a massive increase in confidence when driving hard, it just was everything i needed it to be, of course there could be better ones, but for the money i paid i don't think i'll be able to get any better.

[MeisterR]

MeisterR is fitted to a mates car, while pretty good, better than the BC, they were smooth, but the damping forces when tried to drive hard just didnt work that well. Worked great as a normal daily driver that's for sure. Never drove it on the motorway so i can't give anything on that.

 

When was the MeisterR fitted? Do you know which version was it?

Just checking to see if you know.

 

For me, feedback like these are important.

Always want to know more about criticism so I can see if there are anything I can do to improve things.

 

Jerrick

[nissanman312]

My pal has onlins on his 350 it feels Awsome and so composed not crashy hard to say if they are worth the extra over kw v3 I havnt experienced the meister r stuff so can't comment

 

[Miller350z]

Are the meister r gt1 the only coilovers they offer now for the 350z? I very nearly was gonna join a gb last year for zeta s coilovers I think they were called but decided to wait until this summer. Did that group buy end up going through, I know there was a bit of wait. I was only looking at spending around £700

 

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[Rocket_Rabbit]

What is a fast road set up? This is banded about on lots of forums and it is borderline cringeworthy. There is no such thing as a fast road setup.

 

But to answer your question the high speed damping and control of the KWv3 smashes the MeisterR. This is not just a benefit for roads, but track too as you can attack the curbs more aggressively without losing your wheel contact.

 

 

A fast road setup is what we in vehicle dynamics class as a "Tarmac Rally" setup.

 

So why not call it a tarmac rally setup? And I can absolutely promise you a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a Tarmac rally car.

 

This is before owner profiling has entered the equation.

 

Stop confusing these people with your psuedo science.

[Ekona]

I'm guessing because fast road is now in the vernacular, whereas tarmac rally would still sound specialised.

 

Why wouldn't a road car want a tarmac rally setup? To me, that would sound not a million miles away from what you'd want, hugely compliant over firm surfaces that are good to poor in quality, but with a certain amount of compromise in terms of people wanting to go faster.

[nimz]

 

So why not call it a tarmac rally setup? And I can absolutely promise you a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a Tarmac rally car.

 

This is before owner profiling has entered the equation.

 

Stop confusing these people with your psuedo science.

 

I don't know what your problem is mate but the majority of posts I've seen from you are overly aggressive and self righteous, there's no need to attack people because you disagree with them.

[GappySmeg]

So why not call it a tarmac rally setup? And I can absolutely promise you a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a Tarmac rally car.

 

This is before owner profiling has entered the equation.

 

Stop confusing these people with your psuedo science.

 

I don't know what your problem is mate but the majority of posts I've seen from you are overly aggressive and self righteous, there's no need to attack people because you disagree with them.

 

Yep... and still no apology for claiming Meister's post was plagiarised.

 

Are you on commission from KW or something?

[MeisterR]

So why not call it a tarmac rally setup? And I can absolutely promise you a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a Tarmac rally car.

 

This is before owner profiling has entered the equation.

 

Stop confusing these people with your psuedo science.

 

Well, since my pseudo science is confusing, please enlighten us.

You promise us that a a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a Tarmac rally car, can you tell me the dynamics a road car want as well as the damper design to achieve that vehicle dynamics.

 

If you can include what wheel frequency a road car should have, what critical damping level, cracking pressure, etc.

How to set up the wheel frequency bias so the front and rear suspension do not synchronise on a harmonic frequency.

I know there are quite a bit more, but just something basic will do just to enlighten us why a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a tarmac rally car.

 

I am sure you have REAL science to explain how my pseudo science is confusing.

 

Note: The reason I use "Fast Road" car because it explain the type of road car it will be.

 

A road car to me could be a Fiat 500 all the way to a Mercedes S-Class.

And of course, those car would require a different dynamics as their main focus will be comfort.

 

A fast road car to me is more specific, it is either a "fast" road car, or road car that will be driven "fast".

That mean for those car, the dynamics will mainly be focused on traction, compliancy, weight transfer control, and steering response.

 

That is why I use "Fast Road" car as my target, because that is the type of cars MeisterR product mainly focus for.

 

Jerrick

[MeisterR]

Are the meister r gt1 the only coilovers they offer now for the 350z? I very nearly was gonna join a gb last year for zeta s coilovers I think they were called but decided to wait until this summer. Did that group buy end up going through, I know there was a bit of wait. I was only looking at spending around £700

 

We have the ZetaCRD which is the new generation of MeisterR coilovers.

 

The ZetaCRD supersede the Zeta-S by adding in a range of upgrade such as:

*Revised damping that provide better response and performance

*Thicker damper rod for increase structural strength

*New locking collar design that are currently under UK patent pending status

*Rubber insulator on springs coils to increase durability

...and a few other bits.

 

At the moment, the ZetaCRD is £725 and 350Z uk member do get 10% discount bringing it down to £652 delivered.

 

Springs rate remain the same at 10kg/mm front, 8kg/mm rear.

The rear springs remain the same "in board" springs OEM design.

 

Jerrick

[Olly350z]

 

So why not call it a tarmac rally setup? And I can absolutely promise you a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a Tarmac rally car.

 

This is before owner profiling has entered the equation.

 

Stop confusing these people with your psuedo science.

 

I don't know what your problem is mate but the majority of posts I've seen from you are overly aggressive and self righteous, there's no need to attack people because you disagree with them.

 

Thankyou! Literally thought this this morning. This entire topic is littered with overly aggressive posts slamming Jerrick and his products.

 

 

[Snjur]

After reading this topic and few PM exchanged with Jerrick I have dedicated to give a try to Meister R Gt1's. Originally I set my mind on Tein Monoflex so Gt1's are little bit over budget and in price range of Kw 3.

Due to my job time when I'm at home I tend to spend quality behind the wheel. Car is twin turbo suspension has already upgrades in terms of toe arms front and rear, energy suspension bushings and so. I did tried my share of various coilovers on my rides as well others from Chinese all the way to Kw Clubsport. So how it look by the end February begging March it should Gt1's should be on the car and will writte a review. My test route is 420 km from capital to sea side. Mixture of everything fast section, curvy one's, over the mountain where the rod is quite bumpy due to temps in winter which cause tarmac to crack. And of course track day event on Grobnik race track

 

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Edited January 9, 2017 by Snjur

[Aashenfox]

What is a fast road set up? This is banded about on lots of forums and it is borderline cringeworthy. There is no such thing as a fast road setup.

 

But to answer your question the high speed damping and control of the KWv3 smashes the MeisterR. This is not just a benefit for roads, but track too as you can attack the curbs more aggressively without losing your wheel contact.

 

 

A fast road setup is what we in vehicle dynamics class as a "Tarmac Rally" setup.

 

So why not call it a tarmac rally setup? And I can absolutely promise you a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a Tarmac rally car.

 

This is before owner profiling has entered the equation.

 

Stop confusing these people with your psuedo science.

It's you who is confusing everyone with your pedantic techno babble, accurate or not, it's you that's muddying the waters of what are already clearly defined terms in the car world, because they don't fit your vision of the perfect car setup, or allow you to pedantically pick apart other members whose comments you don't agree with or appreciate.

 

Everyone knows what a fast road setup is except you it seems. Yes, it is obvious why they call it that rather than a rally setup which WOULD be confusing. Both terms are equally accurate, but the layman will get a better impression from 'fast road' setup, as that's what he thinks he is, fast on the road. A slightly stiffer setup usually with a little less understeer is what everyone calls a fast road setup, however that is achieved.

 

Secondly, are you REALLY suggesting to people that drive their cars only on the road, that A. any set of coilovers is really worth the expense unles you are lowering a good amount (which you are doing for looks not handling and therefore matters not a jot which coilovers you choose) and B. that if one is going to that expense, that KW v3 is the minimum satisfactory spec? Rubbish. I had V3s on my 400hp e92 335xi, I now have HSD monopros on my Z and can't tell the difference. I drive quite well for an amateur and on slippery greek roads too, but I DO NOT test the limits of my setups, nor even close, I'm not THAT good, and neither are 99.9% of people on this forum.

 

Imagine if you ran a bakery...

 

You: "Hello, what can I do for you?"

Customer: "I'd like a chocolate cake please"

You: "a what?"

Customer: "A chocolate cake please"

You: "'a chocolate cake' covers such a wide range of possibilities and variables, I still don't know what you want"

Customer: "er, ok, well what have you got that fits the description of a chocolate cake?"

You: "I have this cake, with chocolate sponge, and chocolate icing"

Customer: "so, it's a chocolate cake then"

You: "well, yes and no. There are chocolate cakes and chocolate cakes"

Customer: "ok, I'll take it anyway"

You: "that's 50 pounds please"

Customer: "What? 50 pounds for a cake?"

You: "Yes, it's the very best example of its kind"

Customer: "But I only need it for my daughter's 8th birthday, we're not having the Queen for tea"

You: "Ah but now you'll have the best under all circumstances! What if the Queen DID pop in for tea?"

Customer: "..."

Edited January 9, 2017 by Aashenfox

[RobPhoboS]

There is tip top info on the thread, and it truly did help me make a decision.

Mods please don't lock it

 

I really encourage anyone interested in suspension to check out the channel I posted on reply #29 & #31.

He's independent, revalves his customers suspension and tunes them to what they are after (from road to race car).

[Rocket_Rabbit]

So why not call it a tarmac rally setup? And I can absolutely promise you a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a Tarmac rally car.

 

This is before owner profiling has entered the equation.

 

Stop confusing these people with your psuedo science.

 

I don't know what your problem is mate but the majority of posts I've seen from you are overly aggressive and self righteous, there's no need to attack people because you disagree with them.

 

Yep... and still no apology for claiming Meister's post was plagiarised.

 

Are you on commission from KW or something?

 

Nope. But Jerrick earns for his wares sold. Make of that what you will.

 

And the stuff Jerrick posted is all available from the internet - nothing new there.

 

https://www.qa1.net/...monotube-shocks

https://www.tein.co....ecial/ni_toryu/

 

A couple of links out of the hundreds available

 

 

What is a fast road set up? This is banded about on lots of forums and it is borderline cringeworthy. There is no such thing as a fast road setup.

 

But to answer your question the high speed damping and control of the KWv3 smashes the MeisterR. This is not just a benefit for roads, but track too as you can attack the curbs more aggressively without losing your wheel contact.

 

 

A fast road setup is what we in vehicle dynamics class as a "Tarmac Rally" setup.

 

So why not call it a tarmac rally setup? And I can absolutely promise you a road car DOESN'T want the same dynamics as a Tarmac rally car.

 

This is before owner profiling has entered the equation.

 

Stop confusing these people with your psuedo science.

It's you who is confusing everyone with your pedantic techno babble, accurate or not, it's you that's muddying the waters of what are already clearly defined terms in the car world, because they don't fit your vision of the perfect car setup, or allow you to pedantically pick apart other members whose comments you don't agree with or appreciate.

 

Everyone knows what a fast road setup is except you it seems. Yes, it is obvious why they call it that rather than a rally setup which WOULD be confusing. Both terms are equally accurate, but the layman will get a better impression from 'fast road' setup, as that's what he thinks he is, fast on the road. A slightly stiffer setup usually with a little less understeer is what everyone calls a fast road setup, however that is achieved.

 

Secondly, are you REALLY suggesting to people that drive their cars only on the road, that A. any set of coilovers is really worth the expense unles you are lowering a good amount (which you are doing for looks not handling and therefore matters not a jot which coilovers you choose) and B. that if one is going to that expense, that KW v3 is the minimum satisfactory spec? Rubbish. I had V3s on my 400hp e92 335xi, I now have HSD monopros on my Z and can't tell the difference. I drive quite well for an amateur and on slippery greek roads too, but I DO NOT test the limits of my setups, nor even close, I'm not THAT good, and neither are 99.9% of people on this forum.

 

Imagine if you ran a bakery...

 

You: "Hello, what can I do for you?"

Customer: "I'd like a chocolate cake please"

You: "a what?"

Customer: "A chocolate cake please"

You: "'a chocolate cake' covers such a wide range of possibilities and variables, I still don't know what you want"

Customer: "er, ok, well what have you got that fits the description of a chocolate cake?"

You: "I have this cake, with chocolate sponge, and chocolate icing"

Customer: "so, it's a chocolate cake then"

You: "well, yes and no. There are chocolate cakes and chocolate cakes"

Customer: "ok, I'll take it anyway"

You: "that's 50 pounds please"

Customer: "What? 50 pounds for a cake?"

You: "Yes, it's the very best example of its kind"

Customer: "But I only need it for my daughter's 8th birthday, we're not having the Queen for tea"

You: "Ah but now you'll have the best under all circumstances! What if the Queen DID pop in for tea?"

Customer: "..."

 

I could tell the difference between the MeisterRs and the KWv3s in the first couple of hundred yards. It wasn't about on the limit handling either - ride quality, compliance, lack of roll, response. I was very sceptical actually and didn't think they were going to be that much better!

 

If you are after looks, just get the £300 chinese stuff. I have a couple of friends who run it and it's actually ok. More crashy than OEM, just like the MeisterR stuff was, but then for £300 happy days If you want to lower your car but be able to tell your mates down the car show that you have 'insertpeerhighlyratedproductnamehere' then the Tein Basic for £450 seems ideal. I do believe I was commending them in a different thread.

 

Fast Road setup. There is no such thing. If you can't accept that, then there isn't much I can do about it. Now, I can accept that you have differing setups for road and track, but they will be different than what someone else wants.

 

As such if you go to a Geo guy and he says 'Yeah, use this setup, it's a fast road setup' he's talking out of his arse. You may get in and find the car skittish, oversteery, and unstable. You may find it doesn't turn in and washes out mid corner.

 

This is because you will want what you prefer. If you don't know what you want, start at the Manufacturer spec (even if you're lowered) and then work from there.

 

A good Geo guy will tell you all this. He'll set the car up and you'll go back to him after a few hundred miles and say 'It feel good, but the rear feels a bit loose under braking' He will then go and add more rear toe in and you try again.

 

The only reason to sell a 'Fast Road' setup is to offer less knowledgeable people a sense of value for money. No one wants a stock setup because everyone is a driving God and they need a 'Fast Road' setup....ok.

 

If you want to compare suspension to Chocolate cake, fair enough. But I think it's fair to say that you are being forthcoming with demonstrating your lack of knowledge.

 

As such, should you really be giving advice?

 

By the way, should anyone want to come and discuss suspension/handling with me I am based in the North West so feel free to PM me It took me many years of reading and thousands of pounds on geo to get a good understanding of what is going on so I am more than happy to save you a few quid

Edited January 9, 2017 by Rocket_Rabbit

[RobPhoboS]

I could tell the difference between the MeisterRs and the KWv3s in the first couple of hundred yards.

 

But did you not say yourself that they were the entry level MeisterR's ? (£700 vs £1800)

 

[Rocket_Rabbit]

I could tell the difference between the MeisterRs and the KWv3s in the first couple of hundred yards.

 

But did you not say yourself that they were the entry level MeisterR's ? (£700 vs £1800)

 

ZetaRs wherever they are on the scale of things now.

 

Otherwise, I don't see your point. What are £1800, the new MeisterRs? The KWv3s are £1600.

[Aashenfox]

<snip>

 

I wasn't actually giving advice, you're the one doing that, badly, imo, though ironically, the right advice is probably in there somewhere , you're just having trouble presenting it.

 

I'm not into comparing penises, suffice it to say I don't need your help with car geometry, though you may be more knowledgeable than I, thanks anyway. You haven't even mentioned the two worst things about lowering on coilovers, roll center and droop, but whatever...

 

I don't fundamentally disagree with anything you are saying, more with the way you are presenting your information, and it's typical of people like you (highly knowledgeable, spent a long time reading, perfecting, and I respect that), the fact is though, that level of technical know-how is simply not needed for people such as the frequenters of this forum, in fact the pedantic (adjective, not jibe) way in which you are dissecting what other people have written without good reason, makes you come across combative and does muddy the waters.

 

All people need to know is that if you are looking for a good street coilover, anything over 700 quid will be decent, but KW V3s or Ohlins if you have money and want to do the occasional track day will serve you better and with a wider and more accurate adjustment range, but then if you're doing that, then you might as well stiffen up a lot and do a corner balanced setup, then if you're doing that, it won't be ideal on the road any more...you might as well have two cars. There you go, I just gave all the info that anyone needed and without technobabble or getting up anyone's nose.

 

Bottom line is that for anyone's street use and even the occasional track day, Meisters, KWs, HSDs, BC, all are more than any mere mortal will ever require to set their car up for a nice middle ground between track and road use.

 

So, you think my analogy of chocolate cake needed to have anything to do with suspension, and wasn't actually about your attitude? And there I was hoping that your geometry comprehension would be matched by your reading comprehension.

Edited January 9, 2017 by Aashenfox

[RobPhoboS]

I could tell the difference between the MeisterRs and the KWv3s in the first couple of hundred yards.

 

But did you not say yourself that they were the entry level MeisterR's ? (£700 vs £1800)

 

ZetaRs wherever they are on the scale of things now.

 

Otherwise, I don't see your point. What are £1800, the new MeisterRs? The KWv3s are £1600.

 

They are the entry level ones, or cheapest if you like.

And your comparing the top end road/track day KW v3s which cost £1728 RRP (or cheaper potentially elsewhere) against them, which seems pointless. Same as comparing Bilstein B6 shocks against their top road/track day shocks, obviously more development has gone into the higher ones (I'd hope).

[Rocket_Rabbit]

I could tell the difference between the MeisterRs and the KWv3s in the first couple of hundred yards.

 

But did you not say yourself that they were the entry level MeisterR's ? (£700 vs £1800)

 

ZetaRs wherever they are on the scale of things now.

 

Otherwise, I don't see your point. What are £1800, the new MeisterRs? The KWv3s are £1600.

 

They are the entry level ones, or cheapest if you like.

And your comparing the top end road/track day KW v3s which cost £1728 RRP (or cheaper potentially elsewhere) against them, which seems pointless. Same as comparing Bilstein B6 shocks against their top road/track day shocks, obviously more development has gone into the higher ones (I'd hope).

 

You were the one asking whether you'd get a better ride from KWv3. I said yes you will. Everyone else thinks not.

 

I use my car mostly for fun, no commuting and hopefully in the new year a few track days thrown in (4-6).

Currently it's on Bilstein B6, Tein springs, Eibach ARB, adjustable droplinks, and SPL spherical bushings front and rear, camber arms etc etc.

 

The only issue I'm finding now is that under 40mph the ride is quite crashy on the road due to the SPL bushings (not the Bilsteins), as I had poly before that so I noticed quite a change.

Obviously the trade off is far nicer steering and control but it does make you wince sometimes

As much as I'd like to just blast around everywhere...well I can't.

But when you are pressing on it feels good.

 

So I had the stupid idea of perhaps getting a set of KW V3's as I'm sure that this'll bring even more control and better ride quality. Although I'm not entirely sure about how it'll feel with the spherical bushings but I know it'll be ace for the track

 

I haven't seen that many people here put the SPL bushings on their cars that aren't just out and out track toys.

But if you are one of those guys that have done this I'd like to hear any feedback regarding spherical bushing and coilover combo