Robchriscross Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 A proper champ wouldn't have sat there whinging if Hamiltons going so slow pass him you've the best car to do so hope 2017 brings more competition can't see rosberg getting a second championship Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valy Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) well done for Nico today ,bet it made a few chaps unhappy here but that was deserved...he handled well the pressure of the last few laps...don't know why but I always seem to favor the underdog Edited November 27, 2016 by valy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 My money's on Max for 2017, 2018 and 2019 ... then he'll go to Ferrari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 My money's on Max for 2017, 2018 and 2019 ... then he'll go to Ferrari Would like to have seen him team mate to Hamilton,that would be fireworks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Rosberg winning the championship is like Man Utd winning the league by 5pts even though everyone else played six games less. You can only win with what's put in front of you, the numbers say he deserves the win and that's that really. Not the worst driver to win a championship, and prob deserves one for his length of service at Merc, but certainly won't be remembered as anything special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytespc Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Nico was gifted it and he knows it, he wont ever win another and Lewis will leave Merc after next season or even in the break between as he really has had enough of the blatant favouritism at Merc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) I would have thought most fans would want the other manufacturers catching up, watching merc 1, 2's most of the season is dull, no matter who you prefer from the 2. The only way Hamilton will move if there is a better car on the grid, or in the pipeline. No chance he is leaving. Edited November 27, 2016 by Jetpilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyZ Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I feel Lewis' Malaysia retirement robbed us of a good competitive end to the season. Nico did what he had to do and finish behind Lewis but i would have much preferred him have to win at least one the races to win the season. The Merc could have finished on the podium starting from the back of the grid on 90% of tracks this year easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I believe he's a worthy champion. He's clearly had a bit of luck on his side and drives what is without doubt the best car but he's won 23 GP's, the same number as 3 times champion Nelson Piquet and just 2 less than another 3 times champion Niki Lauda. Hamilton is a massive talent, IMHO one of the top 5 drivers of all time and I'm certain he'll win at least one more championship, he might even surpass some of Schumi's records ! Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I believe he's a worthy champion. He's clearly had a bit of luck on his side and drives what is without doubt the best car but he's won 23 GP's, the same number as 3 times champion Nelson Piquet and just 2 less than another 3 times champion Niki Lauda. Hamilton is a massive talent, IMHO one of the top 5 drivers of all time and I'm certain he'll win at least one more championship, he might even surpass some of Schumi's records ! But he hasnt won the most GP's this season and when hes needed to pass people he hasnt been able to do it, Lewis has clearly been the better driver so its a tough one. As for the numbers, doesnt make any difference IMO, there are a lot more GP's these days (16 vs 21), the cars are a lot more likely to finish, and dare I say it when theres a lot less overtaking and youre starting at the front you are always going to win more races. You could argue that anyone racing against Schumi or Vettel was knackered from the start for race wins or championships as no-one got anywhere near them in their heydays. What does make a difference is that Nico has had head and shoulders the best car for the last two years but lost by 59 points last season and only made it this season due to Hamilton having some shite luck. Ill accept hes the champ, but not that he deserves to be on the performance from this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 He deserves to be champ only because he had the most points. Everyone knows that he only won because Lewis had the misfortune to be stuck with Nico's crappy mechanics who couldn't change a spark plug properly, even Nico knows he won by default rather than talent. Nico will be a forgotten champ very quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Nico for the title, Lewis with that brake issue (both MB cars) just didnt seem interested at all Best driver won the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marzman Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 But is anyone going to remember that Nico didnt deserve it in years to come? No they're not, and history will always show this guy as a champion (unfortunately!). I honestly couldn't tell you of any other seasons where the champion didnt deserve it... i'm sure it's happened, but we quickly forget. Button perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 As much as I prefer Hamilton to Nico, its not just about the driver - its the entire package, driver, car and mechanics. Nicos combination was better than Hamiltons this season. Sure you can put the best driver in the world in a car, but if the car keeps breaking down and DNF then hes not going to win the championship. Team Hamilton was a good driver let down by an unreliable car, and team Nico was a very good reliable car, possibly making up for a slight deficit on the driver. But that deficit is fractional, Nico has had some great wins this season as well as Hamilton. And winning a championship isn't about winning races, its about consistently banking points, which Nico did. Still don't particularly like him though. Heres hoping the regs change next year mix things up a bit, i'm getting a bit bored of Mercedes domination now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 ^^ perfectly explained, to finish first, first you have to finish. If the best driver on the grid "should" win every year and anyone else is undeserving you might as well forget the points and just give the title to Hamilton no matter what car he drives or whoever you think is the best. I really do hope the other manufacturers bridge the gap next year, but I cant see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 if we're handing out best driver awards, then surely Verstappen is in with a pretty good shout? has anyone else made more on track overtakes this season than him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Absolutely imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Team bosses voted like this: 1 Lewis Hamilton, 234 points (No change) 2 Max Verstappen, 183 (Up two places) 3 Nico Rosberg, 176 (No change) 4 Daniel Ricciardo, 133 (Up five) 5 Sebastian Vettel, 90 (Down three) 6 Fernando Alonso, 67 (No change) 7 Kimi Raikkonen, 61 (Up three) 8 Sergio Perez, 52 (No change) 9 Valtteri Bottas, 26 (Down two) 10 Carlos Sainz Jr, 25 (New entry) How the hell Wehrlein isn't on there ahead of Vettel or Kimi I've no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 The car is what wins the championships these days, sadly. Simply put, most of the current drivers if given a Merc seat could have won the championship simply dependent on car reliabilty. Best 'driving' entertainment this year was undoubtedly from Max - in much the same way we saw from Lewis in his early years in F1...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Massa couldn't get near Alonso, Webber couldn't get near Vettel, Nico can't get near Lewis unless the car breaks Definitely a lot about the car, but Nico is not a worthy winner. For the past 10 years or so, the winner usually has been. Vettel in the RB was imperious, like Schumi in the Ferrari used to be. Boring races, but utterly mesmerising to watch the laps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I remember Schumacher starting out in the Benetton before it became a great car, he was beating a lot of the better cars in that machine, that really was showing the difference a great driver makes and he was streets ahead of his team mates (Lehto, Herbert etc). But these guys come along once in a blue moon. You do have to remind yourself of F1 as a team sport, like football. You can have the best player in the world playing up front for you but if your defence is shipping goals they counter-act each other but thats the nature of F1 all over, the team has to win for the driver to win too and the driver is just a single cog in a rather large machine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Interesting discussion re Nico/Hamilton, a little stat i have just seen, fastest laps over the season, Hamilton 2, Rosberg 6 and 2 retirements to Rosbergs 1, i think there might be a little dont let the facts get in the way of a good story here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Fastest laps mean nothing, all it takes is for the driver to risk blowing his engine up at the end of the race when the car is nice and light. Zero point doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Good point, so you know for fact Lewis wasnt pushing causing his engine to blow then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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